How am I ignoring Votto's platoon splits?Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*
How am I ignoring Votto's platoon splits?
Regardless of the handedness of the pitcher, Phillips should never bat ahead of cleanup. His less than stellar OBP just doesn't make sense to bat him any higher than cleanup.
This ticks me off. Phillips hitting cleanup vs LHP? Fine. Against RHP? Absolutely not. This offense is already going to have some problems scoring runs and it doesn't help matters that our manager can't fill out a decent lineup. Phillips need to either hit second where he'll maybe stop swinging for the fences, or sixth. Brandon Phillips is not a cleanup hitter and it's a shame Dusty Baker doesn't realize this.
Against RHP, Phillips should bat no higher than 5th, b/c his splits vs RHP show his true weakness, aka hitting RHP pitching.
which is diametrically opposed to science.
Last edited by flyer85; 02-19-2009 at 05:05 PM.
Y'all are missing the key phrase of the original post...
Dusty has committed BPhil to the clean up spot for only "the start of the year."
Opening Day IS against a presumed lefty (JSantana). H*ll, two of the first three games are likely against lefties (OPerez is the other). And then the next series (Pittsburgh) will likely feature two more lefties.
Just saying.
I have a love-hate relationship with Albert Pujols. Mostly hate.
Batting Phillips second may get him out of the mindset that he needs to swings for the fences all the time. Ideally he would hit sixth, but if he's going to hit in the top four spots I'd prefer it be second. If he could get his OBP up in the .340 area he'd make a very good #2 hitter with his speed and power.
Yeah, EE would be a good cleanup hitter, assuming you can guess which months he'll hit and which months he won't. EE is a good player, but to read RedZone you'd start bronzing his plaque.
Edwin is a better hitter against RH pitching than Phillips, end of discussion...
Face it, the Reds have no cleanup hitter. That was the whole point of the off-season discussions. Let's get Dye, Abreu, whomever.
But I'm very happy with Dusty's comments. At least there's a recognition that BP needs to improve his approach at the plate. If he does, he'll be a more consistent hitter -- whether he hits fourth or anywhere else.
Last edited by Kc61; 02-19-2009 at 05:19 PM.
The question that is going unanswered is what causes you to struggle a bit in your third or fourth year?
Only Dusty knows the answer to that one. It's Dusty science you know.
I would be an AWESOME manager.
I don't know Raisor, I think the whole not wearing pants thing might cause you some problems in the clubhouse.
School's out. What did you expect?
It might cause Phillips to grow into being a more disciplined batter to, and then more productive batter should naturally follow. The manager wants speed up in his one and two slots, so why not, especially against left handed pitching.
We each know that there is career stats for all the players showing where they have performed best in the past, in what batting position, and against either the left handed pitching, right handed pitching or both. Bat them individually where their career numbers indicate that they perform their best on a higher percentage of times.
Hasn't Ward and Jones shown some ability to hit right handers and with some power in the past?
Might as well toss in the other's splits, maybe there is some positives to be uncovered yet.
Daryle Ward
2008 vs. Left .200 .273 .200 .473 vs. Right .217 .324 .424 .748
2007 vs. Left .250 .400 .375 .775 vs. Right .333 .439 .539 .978
2006 vs. Left .059 .158 .059 .217 vs. Right .345 .412 .619 1.031
Jacque Jones
2008 vs. Left .000 .063 .000 .063 vs. Right .168 .263 .238 .501
2007 vs. Left .295 .353 .410 .763 vs. Right .283 .332 .397 .729
2006 vs. Left .234 .261 .416 .677 vs. Right .303 .358 .528 .886
Jonny Gomes
2008 vs. Left .182 .281 .424 .705 vs. Right .182 .286 .309 .595
2007 vs. Left .313 .376 .542 .918 vs. Right .218 .302 .429 .731
2006 vs. Left .297 .438 .614 1.052 vs. Right .187 .282 .366 .648
Jerry Hairston Jr.
2008 vs. Left .345 .418 .548 .966 vs. Right .316 .366 .458 .824
2007 vs. Left .228 .262 .304 .566 vs. Right .150 .237 .275 .512
2006 vs. Left .153 .228 .167 .395 vs. Right .245 .302 .316 .618
Chris Dickerson
2008 vs. Left .286 .423 .429 .852 vs. Right .309 .411 .654 1.065
Jeff Keppinger
2008 vs. Left .360 .412 .489 .901 vs. Right .225 .265 .284 .549
2007 vs. Left .362 .421 .565 .986 vs. Right .320 .392 .442 .834
2006 vs. Left .222 .300 .407 .707 vs. Right .303 .343 .394 .737
Ryan Hanigan
2008 vs. Left .237 .293 .342 .635 vs. Right .298 .421 .383 .804
Last edited by Spring~Fields; 02-19-2009 at 07:32 PM.
I hear ya OBM, but that's a big if.
Only is his career year of 2007 has BP OBP'd North of .330.
In his other "full" seasons, he OBP'd .242, .324 & .312 in 2003, 2006 and 2008 respectively.
Pants are over-rated.
Except during a "stealing 2nd" drill.
Does Dusty have another single daughter we don't know about?
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