When have the Reds had a good pitching coach?Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1
When have the Reds had a good pitching coach?
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9-1 on a sac fly by Uggla.
i was looking at the game tracker, when his era was at 3.12 as of may 17th, which was right before his bad outing against the padres. even after the bad outing his era was at 3.5. you said that he was stinking up the place way before his relief outing and my point was that that was not the case. except for a bad outing against the cubs and then the padres, he was not "stinky" in his starts prior to the relief appearance.
Dusty does too much out of respect anyway, so it probably was.
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You have to be wrong. Greg Maddux said he was great when he was his pitching coach in the 80's.
Is there a Reds pitcher that is remotely better under Pole's tutelage?
Maj up 5 times in the 1st game, twice last night.
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His game log is available HERE.
Updated info:
Harang before the relief appearance: 3.50 ERA, 63 Ks in 74 and 2/3 IP. (7.6 K/9)
Harang in 3 starts since the relief appearance: 9.39 ERA, 8Ks in 15.1 IP. (4.69 K/9)
His ERA was actually up and down. He had a very strong start right before SD against Cleveland. MAYBE it would have kept trending up(he did indeed get bombed on May 22nd in SD) without the relief appearance. However, if he was getting worn down and becoming less effective, that is why it was even worse to use Fogg before Bray in that SD game, making it necessary to use a starter in relief.
Also, that mistake was compounded by bringing Harang back on short rest for his next start. He pitched on 2 days rest in relief, and threw 63 pitches. Then he pitched on 3 days rest, and got bombed by the Pirates. Now, it looks to me like he is worn down.
I think they should a skip a turn for Aaron, and let him regain some sharpness...hopefully.
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He stunk in two starts prior to the relief appearance--that's reason enough to be skeptical that his two stinky starts post-relief-appearance (today's start and the start against Pittsburgh) might just be a continuation of what was happening starting with the May 12 start against FLA. I'm saying Harang has a month-long crap spell every season, and he does. This is nothing new.
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Volquez and Cueto looked like they have developed pretty good with Pole.
Try to give more of the blame/credit to the actual person who is throwing the ball.
Larry Shepard was a pretty good pitching coach until 1977.
2 hits all day for Cincy. Wow.
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“I’m a normal guy blessed with the ability to hit a baseball.” - Sean Casey
My point is simply this: his Krate is significantly above average for an NL starter. His BBrate is significantly better than average for a starter (about a walk per 9 innings lower). His HR/9 is exactly average for an NL starter (so no he isn't spreading ick anywhere and he isn't a homerun machine). His fastball velocity is averaging essentially the same this year as it's been last year and basically his whole major league career (so no you're not seeing a drop in velocity).
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If his HR/9 were better than average? #1 starter. That's perfectly rational. You were looking for a bone to pick, but it turns out there was no bone and I was making a perfectly rational point.
His FB velocity has been fluctuating this season--maybe I should have said that.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
yay pattersons in the game!!!!
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“I’m a normal guy blessed with the ability to hit a baseball.” - Sean Casey
I really liked the great late Vern Ruhle. Obviously, nothing you can do about that, bue he was great.
Pole maybe was good in the 80s/early 90s, but since, not so much.
Harang is likely part of that argument of Ace vs #1
Aaron is a #1, he's probably not an Ace though.
I still like him and want him on this team.
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CPatt back on track.
Kidding.
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Chicago Blackhawks - 10, 13, 15
University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12
Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98
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