Not excusing this offense, but as far as I'm concerned this umpire, in the 8th inning, squeezed the crap out of Weathers. He had PHer Macias K'd who drew the walk that forced in the tying run. They should have been out of the 8th with a 5-4 lead as far as I'm concerned.Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo
Definitely a tough loss; but not the end of the world.
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What is it with the umpires this year? It seems like every other game we're complaining about tight strike zones or inconsistent zones, etc. Is the being freed fromt he Questec (or whatever the name is)? It's just been horrific, don't you think?
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I'm not one who normally complains about the umpiring. But last night I was hotter then Weathers when he came off the mound when Dusty pulled him. If that had been me I'd have gotten tossed out of the game as I walked off that mound.
That guy's strike zone was tighter then tight IMO.
Umpires like that really raise pitch counts.
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Boy, wasn't that a sign of things to come. James Joyce just converted me to bringing in Robo Ump to call balls and strikes. Of course, I imagine if we did, we would think something must be wrong with the system on close pitches
? 5 runs in Petco should be plenty. It is a crazy game, the Pads bullpen can't get anyone out, we come in hitting good, and suddenly their bullpen is holding and ours is blowing leads. Stupid, stupid game. Hope I can stay awake during the sermon
When did Cordero go on the DL?
Everyone want's to argue about Joyce but Cordero should've been on the mound before it got to that point with Weathers.
Cordero has got to be hurt. If not, then don't blame Joyce for last night because someone else was making worse calls in the 8th....
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I don't see why. Owings pitch count was fine. He threw maybe one day earlier than normal and he'll have plenty of time until his next start.
I'm sure Dusty would've liked to have used Cordero but the order he used guys in kind of limited that. If he was going to use him it needed to be before Micah. Once you pull Micah, Cordero would've had to go the rest of the way...and we had no clue how long that would've been.
2 games out of first, 4 games OVER .500, solid starting pitching, solid bullpen, solid defense, offense coming around....yep, they stink. You know OBM, your pessimism can infect the fan-base almost as much as Rosales' enthusiasm can infect the clubhouse. Cheer up.
Hanigan & Janish? I can't think of anybody else who didn't play. I've got NO PROBLEM with Dusty not playing those two guys. If there was an injury in extra innings...Hanigan's the back up catcher and Janish can backup everybody else (OF too if need be).
The only real mistake that I saw from Dusty was in the 8th inning. Once Weathers came in and gave up the double, 2 outs & the walk, I'd have him on a VERY short leash. Once he gave up the 2nd walk...you've got to yank him there in favor of Cordero. Especially when it was clear that David was pissed. Cordero for the final 8th out and for the 9th and we've still got Herrera & Owings for extra innings. Considering the consistant performances out of Weathers lately though...kind of hard to fault Dusty too much on that one. Mistake in hindsight, but it's nitpicking a little bit IMO.
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See, I don't like Bruce that high. But the key thing is that we agree on the personnel. The order is a relatively minor detail, though I am intrigued by your insertion of Hanigan in the #2 slot. If I recall correctly, he hit there once or twice last year, with favorable results. He handles the bat well, and would be a good hit-and-run guy behind Jerry Jr. How about:
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Arroyo P
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This is a much better team than any of those 2001-08 teams. The pitching makes them that way. Every team,even the best one's,go through tough times during a season. It's how well they handle a tough time period that will show how well they will do this season. You have to pace yourself,OBM. Take a couple of days off and you will feel better than ever.
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I've just watched Weathers' 8th inning again several times. I don't think he has any legit gripe about the Macias PA.
First pitch: no doubt a ball.
Second pitch: Joyce gives DW the pitch on the outside corner
Third pitch: again, another close pitch on the outside corner that Joyce gives the DW
Fourth pitch: ball, looked high and inside to me.
Fifth pitch: close but looked inside to me. I don't see how DW could argue he was hosed.
Sixth pitch: close but again it looked low and inside to me.
I just don't see how it could be argued that the called balls to Macias were obvious mistaken calls that by rights should've went to DW. Also, Joyce wasn't squeezing Weathers either because DW got both the 2nd and third pitches which were borderline on the outside IMHO.
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I know - 4 games over .500 in May has to be really draining for you!
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I think it is disingenuous to say that you had a better perspective with a distorted view on a TV camera, esp. with the closeness of those pitches. Joyce had a tight strike zone, and front door fastballs aren't going to called much with that mindset. Plus, he appeared to be very inconsistent, which is all anyone asks of a plate ump, even if his zone is bad. But then, I'm making the same conclusions from the same angles that you are watching from, so I'll take the reactions of both teams and the announcers behind the plate as having better perspectives than TV viewers.
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