His career totals are factoring in over 100 pretty sloppy innings earlier in his career. Masset's clearly taken a step back from what we've come to expect, BABIP or not.Originally Posted by nate
8th inning duty in 2012
Replace Cordero as Closer in 2012
Platoon Closer in 2012
7th inning or earlier in 2012
Don't resign in 2012
His career totals are factoring in over 100 pretty sloppy innings earlier in his career. Masset's clearly taken a step back from what we've come to expect, BABIP or not.
I'd keep him, but I'd put him in the type of role that Arredondo was in this year. Not high leverage sitautions.
Nick has some filthy stuff when he's on. Simply put, he's had a bad year. I certainly don't give up on the guy. With the year he's had, his arbitration numbers should be pretty small I'd think. If it turns out he struggles next year, pull the plug on him for a while. But of all the relievers this year, he's had the most consistent struggles all year.
In the second half, Logan & Billy have struggled too. But I'm completely chalking that up to heavy usage in the first 2 months of the year. The starters were imploding regularly. Leake was bad enough to be pushed to the pen, Wood & Volquez were bad enough to be sent to AAA, Bronson was bad all year, Cueto & Bailey were hurt and being replaced. That's a ton of innings for the pen to have to cover for. IMO, the results of the pen in the second half can be laid squarely at the feet of the starters in the first half.
The only reliever I see that needs to be replaced next year is Chapman, but that's only because I want to see him stretched out for the rotation (either in AAA or with the Reds).
LeCure proved himself to be very reliable as a long man, so he stays in that role.
Bray was very solid most all year long as the lefty specialist. I think he should be used in a wider variety of situations though. Longer stints, fewer games.
Arredondo was pretty steady all year but also pretty sub-par. But being another year away from TJ is a good thing. I leave him in a set-up role.
Ondrusek was pretty much automatic in the first half this year, but was pretty much abused by the starters' ineffectiveness. A normal workload with some regular rest and I think he'll rebound nicely. I count on him as a very solid set-up guy.
Cordero I bring back. Period. He wants to be here, and we need a closer. I know alot of people here thought Masset was the next closer, but with the year he just had...I bring back Coco for a short term contract. He may not be pretty, but he gets the job done more often than not. His K rate has gone down steadily, but he's also being more effective. I'll take that declining K rate.
As for the rest of the pen...mix and match. As usual, just go with the hot hand at the time. Smith, Burton, Horst, Fisher, Boxberger, etc, etc. If Masset struggles again, pull someone from L'ville. But for now, keep him.
I don't know what "we" expected but "I'm" unsurprised by his season.
I don't think he's taken a step back nor is it "clear" that he's done so. I think this is the pitcher he his: highish K, high BB, low HR pitcher. It's still a useful piece of the bullpen given correct usage.
Give him Cordero's BABIP this season and he'd look a lot like Mitchell Boggs or Wilton Lopez. Cut down on the walks a bit AND give him that BABIP and you'd basically have Heath Bell.
Wow. I can't believe how many people want to let him walk.
Yes, he had a rough year, particularly in high leverage situations, but he still put decent numbers. I don't know if he's tipping or just unlucky, but no way to I cut one of the pitchers we've got who can legitimately miss bats. That's just stupid. In fact, I'd happily bet that Masset will outpitch Cordero next year.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
He's not gonna get much as an early stage arb. player. Bring him back on a cheap 1 yr deal.
I'm for bringing him back in a reduced role and hopefully he can fight his way back into the 8th inning. But I'm looking for help in the meantime.
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If he accepts the same salary he got this year, fine. But his production should be easy to replace for close to league minimum. No way I go to arbitration with him.
And saying he'd be better than Cordero is like saying he'd be funnier than Dane Cook.
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He said at the beginning of the 2011 season.
Masset lost 4 out of the first 5 games of the season. That's a hard thing to forget.
That sounds about right. But if we let CoCo walk and make Chapman a starter, we're in need of an eighth inning guy and a closer. BP needs a serious re-boot.
No offense, but I could give a flying fig what his BABIP is.
All I know is that whenever he comes into the game, I never feel likevthe other team won't score. In fact, I feel like there's a fifty-fifty chance that they will. I don't mind that in a middle reliever getting league minimum, but don't want that in a late inning reliever getting arbitration money.
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His xFIP ballooned from 3.27 to 3.84, and the fact that most of that decline stemmed from his K rate is somewhat concerning. I had him pegged as a solid heir apparent to Cordero, but after Masset's struggles, I'm not feeling overly optimistic about the back end of the bullpen. Come on Boxberger!
I think I could have put up a pretty nice season with Cordero's BABIP.
It contributes more to the explanation of his season than ERA, WHIP and seasonal splits thereof.
Great!All I know is that whenever he comes into the game, I never feel likevthe other team won't score. In fact, I feel like there's a fifty-fifty chance that they will. I don't mind that in a middle reliever getting league minimum, but don't want that in a late inning reliever getting arbitration money.
I'm not talking about "emotional response," I'm talking about individual production.
I don't think it's a decline as much as a regression to the mean. That is to say, I don't think he got worse, I simply think the numbers "caught up" with him.
Well, I'll leave your expectations up to you. I still think he's a useful piece.I had him pegged as a solid heir apparent to Cordero, but after Masset's struggles, I'm not feeling overly optimistic about the back end of the bullpen. Come on Boxberger!
Nick Masset with normal BABIP = Blake Wood of the Royals.I think I could have put up a pretty nice season with Cordero's BABIP.
Nick Masset with an otherwordly BABIP = Neftali Feliz.
My emotional response is based on Masset's production.
This season, he has given up a run in 1 out of every 4 games he has pitched in. It wasn't much better the year before: 1 in 5 games.
That's terrible for a late inning guy. It's marginally passable for a middle reliever. Late inning relievers should be close to automatic if you want your team to contend.
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