"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
To clarify, Cam was declared in eligible by Auburn and then had his eligibility immediately reinstated upon request. In other words, the NCAA ruled that what happened between Cecil and an MSU booster did not impact Cam at Auburn. Had Cam went to MSU and MSU subsequebtly ruled him inelgible, it seems likely that Cam may not have been reinstated.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Some light is beginning to be shed onto the Cam issue as Auburn University releases material in response to Freedom of Information act requests by news agencies:
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/...-investigation
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/...|lateststories
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2011/...rylink=addthis
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2011/11/05/5908394.htm
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Cam had virtually no interaction with Rogers and there was zero reason to think he knew about Rogers' brief attempt to get money from MSU based upon email, phone and text records.
Cam was recruited by multiple prominent division 1 football programs. Rogers apparently contacted a few of them. No other program indicated that Rogers asked for special benefits. If Rogers/Cecil had approached them about special benefits, what reason would they have for withholding that information from the NCAA? Tennessee was apparently one of the schools also recruiting Cam. They certainly would have informed the SEC. Auburn had no contact with Rogers.
Given NCAA bylaws and the facts as we now know them, the ruling was straightforward and actually obvious.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Funny thing is, some people actually asserted (in this thread) that Cecil Newton never solicited money.
Auburn's 'records' suggest in fact he did solicit money.
That a father of a player could actively try to get paid for his son to go to a school isn't an NCAA violation is a sad commentary on this situation. That is the definition of pay-for-play.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Some people in this thread were horribly wrong having actually gotten very little concerning the heart of this issue correct. Some who tried to carefully argue the facts as a matter of course essentially nailed it out of the park.
Not from Auburn.Auburn's 'records' suggest in fact he did solicit money.
The definition of pay-for-play is actually getting paid to play. The NCAA's ruling was actually laudable in it's fairness to the student athlete given the established facts.That a father of a player could actively try to get paid for his son to go to a school isn't an NCAA violation is a sad commentary on this situation. That is the definition of pay-for-play.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
I just hope anyone can bear their dishonesty with themselves when looking in the mirror if they try convincing themselves and others that Cecil "only" solicited money from one school. Anyone with a mere passing knowledge of supply and demand would try to leverage prospective bidders against one another if they truly want a better deal.
I think it's terribly laughable to suggest Cecil only tried to get money from one school. Yeah, right.
Last edited by Brutus; 11-05-2011 at 09:18 PM.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
I'll disagree with that one, jojo. I think it sets an incredibly dangerous precedent for the families of athletes to ask for cash, and, if they do get caught, then deniability opens the question of another Newton-style ruling.
I realize the NCAA supposedly takes each investigation on a case-by-case basis, but I question the decision.
Of course, I have a major problem with the NCAA ruling committee anyway, so it may be a case of bias.
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