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savafan · 04-18-2005, 09:30 AM

http://www.brooklynskyline.com/news_...p?c=ne&na=1486

By Marianna Hernandez

Invoking the name “Martin Luther King” and screaming “Black Power!” a gang of up to 30 black teens attacked four white girls in Marine Park in what police are saying is not a bias crime.

The March 30 attack was a hot topic at state Senator Marty Golden’s recent public safety forum.

According to witnesses and parents of the victims, four young girls from St. Edmund’s had the day off from school due to Easter recess. They were playing basketball during dismissal from nearby Marine Park Junior High School, when several Marine Park students demanded to use the court.

After adults intervened and asked them to wait their turn, the teens left - but returned in a pack of up to 30, both boys and girls, and stormed into the park.

Witnesses say the attackers were all black and called their victims “white crackers” during the bloody melee, which raged for almost 20 minutes.

“This is not being looked at as a bias crime,” NYPD Deputy Inspector Kevin McGinn said at the meeting.

“When I pulled my car up to the park, I witnessed a pandemonium I’ve never seen in my life,” said Debbie, a mother of one victim who asked to remain anonymous for safety reasons.

Her daughter ran to the car, screaming, “They’re going to kill us,” Debbie recalled. My daughter was so scared and kids were running around like crazy.

Pursued by dozens of teens, some of the girls were “literally running into traffic to save their lives,” she said.

One girl made it as far as a nearby house, but was dragged by her hair back into the playground by a “wolf pack of children,” Debbie said.

The St. Edmund girls were bleeding and beaten to the point where they had cuts, scrapes, footprints and dirt all over them - and the attackers surrounded her car and started pounding on the windows as Debbie tried to herd the terrified children into her vehicle.

Two girls were hospitalized - one with a broken nose and one with a head injury, according to Edith, the mother of another girl.

According to Lt. Mark Molinari, from the 63rd Precinct, five of the assailants, who attend Marine Park Junior High School, were arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault. But since the attackers are all under the age of 16, they are facing charges in Family Court, and were arraigned last Friday.

“I always felt safe in the area and after hearing about such an incident, you start thinking what else could happen. These situations should not be happening, not in Marine Park, or anywhere else, and the safety of our kids should be of most importance,” said Denise Williams, a parent from Gerritsen Beach.

“It’s getting progressively worse in the community - these types of gangs are not only taking away our parks, they‚re ruining our neighborhoods,” said parent Cathy Miller.

“Nobody expects their child to go to a park and get beaten, with footprints on her head and arm, everyone just wants their child to be safe,” said Edith. “Everyone should have the right to be safe from teens, to small kids, to seniors, to mothers with strollers, no one should fear of being beaten while enjoying a day in the park.”

StillFunkyB · 04-18-2005, 10:20 AM

They need to arrest each one of those kids parents. The parents as well as the children should be punished.

KronoRed · 04-18-2005, 12:30 PM

That's sounds like a hate crime to me

Just sad this crap goes on

RBA · 04-18-2005, 01:56 PM

I agree. How is this not a hate crime?

smith288 · 04-18-2005, 02:01 PM

Martin Luther King Jr would be so proud his name was invoked for such "justice" about a basketball court.

For some odd reason, I dont think this is what MLK had in mind... A shame too, because I agree with his dream.

RedFanAlways1966 · 04-18-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBloodedAmerican

I agree. How is this not a hate crime?

A very good point. It leads me to ask (to all, not just RBA)...

If it is possible to track (I am sure it is), I wonder how many "hate crimes" have been persued in the United States? How many "hate crimes" that were prosecuted have had a defendant who was from a minority race in this great country... and the victim was caucasian? Has it ever happened? If it has, have any minorities ever been convicted of "hate crimes" in this country?

Is there an age factor for "hate crimes"? Could the younger ages be reason for it to not be considered a "hate crime"?

In my book... all crimes that involve violence against another human are considered hate crimes. To inflict bodily harm on another must involve some sort of hatred towards that person (for whatever reason). Even domestic violence. A crime is a crime. I see no reason to say one sort of violence against a human is any different than another sort of violence. Violence and assault are the same. They should all be punished the same. And let the punishment be severe for all violence.

smith288 · 04-18-2005, 02:26 PM

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In my book... all crimes that involve violence against another human are considered hate crimes. To inflict bodily harm on another must involve some sort of hatred towards that person

DING DING DING.... We have a winner.

redsrule2500 · 04-18-2005, 03:35 PM

It's not hate crime because of reverse racism.

CaiGuy · 04-18-2005, 03:45 PM

If the police said that 30 black kids attacked the 4 white girls because they are white or said that the fight had to do with racism, some of the families who had a kid involved in the fight would try to twist the police's words to make them seem racist and try to file a lawsuit. It happens in everything else, why not this? The police were trying to avoid this by calling it a non-bias attack.

TC81190 · 04-18-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CaiGuy

If the police said that 30 black kids attacked the 4 white girls because they are white or said that the fight had to do with racism, some of the families who had a kid involved in the fight would try to twist the police's words to make them seem racist and try to file a lawsuit. It happens in everything else, why not this? The police were trying to avoid this by calling it a non-bias attack.

And the parents are stupid enough to believe they mean it. :ughmamoru

Jaycint · 04-18-2005, 04:32 PM

This type of stuff is ridiculous. Imagine if it had been reversed and 30 white kids attacked 4 black kids and beat them to a bloody pulp all the while calling them racially derogatory names. It would lead the 6 o'clock news on all three network stations and Foxnews would have a reporter live on the scene. It's funny how what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander in situations like this.

Falls City Beer · 04-18-2005, 04:34 PM

The majority hegemony can't be victims of hate crime. It's not possible by definition.

Reds/Flyers Fan · 04-18-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaycint

This type of stuff is ridiculous. Imagine if it had been reversed and 30 white kids attacked 4 black kids and beat them to a bloody pulp all the while calling them racially derogatory names. It would lead the 6 o'clock news on all three network stations and Foxnews would have a reporter live on the scene. It's funny how what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander in situations like this.

Had that happened it would have been a MAJOR story. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would have field days. And it would all be W's fault.

Jaycint · 04-18-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan

Had that happened it would have been a MAJOR story. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would have field days. And it would all be W's fault.

My feelings exactly...

Mutaman · 04-18-2005, 10:07 PM

Then of course there's the other side of the coin. We had a little incident in my town a few years ago we called the "Central Park jogger case" . Supposedly a large group of blacks attacked and almost killed one white girl. They were tried and convicted and sent to jail. Well then it turned out that the prosecuter's were "overzelous", the confessions were coerced , and these guys were innocent. Now us taxpayers are on the hook for paying off millions in damages-- My point: Lets not jump to conclusiions , particularly in the black-white area, before all of the facts are in. And can we discuss race without bring up Al Sharpton? He really not very important.

04-18-2005, 09:30 AM	#1
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack http://www.brooklynskyline.com/news_...p?c=ne&na=1486 By Marianna Hernandez Invoking the name “Martin Luther King” and screaming “Black Power!” a gang of up to 30 black teens attacked four white girls in Marine Park in what police are saying is not a bias crime. The March 30 attack was a hot topic at state Senator Marty Golden’s recent public safety forum. According to witnesses and parents of the victims, four young girls from St. Edmund’s had the day off from school due to Easter recess. They were playing basketball during dismissal from nearby Marine Park Junior High School, when several Marine Park students demanded to use the court. After adults intervened and asked them to wait their turn, the teens left - but returned in a pack of up to 30, both boys and girls, and stormed into the park. Witnesses say the attackers were all black and called their victims “white crackers” during the bloody melee, which raged for almost 20 minutes. “This is not being looked at as a bias crime,” NYPD Deputy Inspector Kevin McGinn said at the meeting. “When I pulled my car up to the park, I witnessed a pandemonium I’ve never seen in my life,” said Debbie, a mother of one victim who asked to remain anonymous for safety reasons. Her daughter ran to the car, screaming, “They’re going to kill us,” Debbie recalled. My daughter was so scared and kids were running around like crazy. Pursued by dozens of teens, some of the girls were “literally running into traffic to save their lives,” she said. One girl made it as far as a nearby house, but was dragged by her hair back into the playground by a “wolf pack of children,” Debbie said. The St. Edmund girls were bleeding and beaten to the point where they had cuts, scrapes, footprints and dirt all over them - and the attackers surrounded her car and started pounding on the windows as Debbie tried to herd the terrified children into her vehicle. Two girls were hospitalized - one with a broken nose and one with a head injury, according to Edith, the mother of another girl. According to Lt. Mark Molinari, from the 63rd Precinct, five of the assailants, who attend Marine Park Junior High School, were arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault. But since the attackers are all under the age of 16, they are facing charges in Family Court, and were arraigned last Friday. “I always felt safe in the area and after hearing about such an incident, you start thinking what else could happen. These situations should not be happening, not in Marine Park, or anywhere else, and the safety of our kids should be of most importance,” said Denise Williams, a parent from Gerritsen Beach. “It’s getting progressively worse in the community - these types of gangs are not only taking away our parks, they‚re ruining our neighborhoods,” said parent Cathy Miller. “Nobody expects their child to go to a park and get beaten, with footprints on her head and arm, everyone just wants their child to be safe,” said Edith. “Everyone should have the right to be safe from teens, to small kids, to seniors, to mothers with strollers, no one should fear of being beaten while enjoying a day in the park.” __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

04-18-2005, 10:20 AM	#2
StillFunkyB Your killin' me Smalls! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Florence, KY Posts: 3,098	Re: 30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack They need to arrest each one of those kids parents. The parents as well as the children should be punished. __________________ "And the fact that watching him pitch is like having someone poop on your soul." FCB on Gary Majewski

04-18-2005, 12:30 PM	#3
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,343	Re: 30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack That's sounds like a hate crime to me Just sad this crap goes on __________________ Go Gators!

04-18-2005, 01:56 PM	#4
RBA CELEBRATION TIME Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 13,939	Re: 30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack I agree. How is this not a hate crime?

04-18-2005, 02:01 PM	#5
smith288 Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Albany, OH Posts: 7,200	Re: 30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack Martin Luther King Jr would be so proud his name was invoked for such "justice" about a basketball court. For some odd reason, I dont think this is what MLK had in mind... A shame too, because I agree with his dream. __________________ Did you like that?

04-18-2005, 03:35 PM	#8
redsrule2500 Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 3,113	Re: 30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack It's not hate crime because of reverse racism. __________________ redsrule2500 Go Reds! Baseball Bliss “I’m a normal guy blessed with the ability to hit a baseball.” - Sean Casey

04-18-2005, 03:45 PM	#9
CaiGuy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Redsland Posts: 828	Re: 30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack If the police said that 30 black kids attacked the 4 white girls because they are white or said that the fight had to do with racism, some of the families who had a kid involved in the fight would try to twist the police's words to make them seem racist and try to file a lawsuit. It happens in everything else, why not this? The police were trying to avoid this by calling it a non-bias attack. __________________ Weathers' W/L when I am attending (2009): 0-1

04-18-2005, 04:32 PM	#11
Jaycint The Mad Monk Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Northern Kentucky Posts: 1,283	Re: 30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack This type of stuff is ridiculous. Imagine if it had been reversed and 30 white kids attacked 4 black kids and beat them to a bloody pulp all the while calling them racially derogatory names. It would lead the 6 o'clock news on all three network stations and Foxnews would have a reporter live on the scene. It's funny how what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander in situations like this.

04-18-2005, 04:34 PM	#12
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: 30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack The majority hegemony can't be victims of hate crime. It's not possible by definition.

04-18-2005, 10:07 PM	#15
Mutaman Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,892	Re: 30 black teens attack 4 white girls in "non-bias" attack Then of course there's the other side of the coin. We had a little incident in my town a few years ago we called the "Central Park jogger case" . Supposedly a large group of blacks attacked and almost killed one white girl. They were tried and convicted and sent to jail. Well then it turned out that the prosecuter's were "overzelous", the confessions were coerced , and these guys were innocent. Now us taxpayers are on the hook for paying off millions in damages-- My point: Lets not jump to conclusiions , particularly in the black-white area, before all of the facts are in. And can we discuss race without bring up Al Sharpton? He really not very important.

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