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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Chapman's gotta be gassed. I'd have Marshall ready to go.


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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Chapman's tank appears to be much closer to empty than usual.

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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by dsmith421 View Post
    Hmmm...Chapman's velocity is down. Could be a tough go tonight.
    Lot of foul balls tonight off Chappy. Unusual.

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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan View Post
    Chapman's gotta be gassed. I'd have Marshall ready to go.
    Unless The Reds have another guy named Marshall, he's already pitched.
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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    There's a slider

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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Hope he gets through this.
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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan View Post
    Chapman's gotta be gassed. I'd have Marshall ready to go.
    Marshall already pitched
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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Freak View Post
    Have you been watching the Astros bullpen the last few games? You'd rather have Enerio Del Rosario? CoCo? Fernando Rodriguez? It's laughable to say Ondrusek is the worst reliever in baseball.
    What the heck do they have to do with Ondrusek?????

    Here is some research, and not including tonight's mess.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    I'm not sure the struggles of Ondrusek can be completely understood until you put his peripherals into proper context with his peers.

    Of the 155 relief pitchers that qualify (minimum 26.2 IP) in 2012, Ondrusek ranks:

    #144 of 155 in fWAR (-.03)
    #138 of 155 in K/9 (5.68)
    #143 of 155 in BB/9 (5.40)
    #141 of 155 in FIP (4.93)
    #152 of 155 in xFIP (5.22)

    NL only (out of 80 relief pitchers with at least 26.2 IP):

    #72 of 80 in fWAR (-.03)
    #74 of 80 in K/9 (5.68)
    #72 of 80 in BB/9 (5.40)
    #71 of 80 in FIP (4.93)
    #77 of 80 in xFIP (5.22)

    And this is not some strange fluke that is only occurring in 2012. Let's look at 2011.


    In 2011, of the 134 relief pitchers that qualify (minimum 48.2 IP), Ondrusek ranked:

    #120 of 134 in fWAR (-.02)
    #113 of 134 in K/9 (6.02)
    #104 of 134 in BB/9 (4.11)
    #119 of 134 in FIP (4.43)
    #118 of 134 in xFIP (4.49)

    Now NL only in 2011, out of 71 relief pitchers that qualify:

    #64 of 71 in fWAR (-.02)
    #61 of 71 in K/9 (6.02)
    #54 of 71 in BB/9 (4.11)
    #66 of 71 in FIP (4.43)
    #66 of 71 in xFIP (4.49)

    Since 2010, there have been 66 NL relief pitchers with at least 100 IP. Within that 66, he ranks:


    #63 of 66 in fWAR (-.05)
    #63 of 66 in K/9 (5.93)
    #52 of 66 in BB/9 (3.98)
    #62 of 66 in FIP (4.49)
    #63 of 66 in xFIP (4.52)


    So I guess if one wants to argue with the definition of struggling, fine. Be my guest. If you don't define struggling as being in the bottom 5-10% in nearly every category and being sub-replacement level, then sure, I guess he's not struggling according to that definition.
    There.

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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Gonzalez flies out to right. 2 outs.

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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan View Post
    Chapman's gotta be gassed. I'd have Marshall ready to go.
    Marshall already has been used
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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by DGullett35 View Post
    Marshall already pitched
    Totally forgot that already. Geesh ...

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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Altuve is up. Very good little ballplayer. Hope Chappy can get him here.

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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Get this guy out!
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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan View Post
    Totally forgot that already. Geesh ...
    sorry for saying that for the third time

    looks like chapman almost has the game done though
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    Re: 7/25/12 Reds @ Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by dsmith421 View Post
    Hmmm...Chapman's velocity is down to the first two men... Could be a tough go tonight.
    Which is what Dusty probably expected and why he was hoping to use Marshall in the 9th.
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