You are correct. I am giving the man the benefit of the doubt. I think that's fair. Why won't you be fair to the manOriginally Posted by traderumor
You are correct. I am giving the man the benefit of the doubt. I think that's fair. Why won't you be fair to the man
So you're saying he's lying. You have no basis to say that. When has he ever lied before?
Do you have any evidence to the contrary of Paterno's statement(s)?
Do you have any evidence to support Paterno's statements? You are the one presenting Paterno's statement as fact. I am just saying it is not fact.
I'm saying his actions are sufficient to lead a staunch supporter to have cause for pause because we seem to now have examples that contradict his insistence that he respected university procedure as a matter of course which undercuts an argument that he behaved as he did with repect to the rape allegation because of a respect for university procedure.
Can you give a litany of specific incidents where he was truthful despite negative consequences to his legacy or to his program? If not, then maybe your query concerning examples of deceit isn't as telling as you're trying to argue concerning the factual regard one should assign his statements.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
I haven't seen those examples so I have no idea what you're referring to.
Until I have facts to the contrary, I take him at his word. I think that's the fair thing to do. If you choose to not be as fair, that's on you
i don't have the foggiest and neither do you.
You haven't really been following this story as closely as your stance might suggest have you?
You're being offensive with your inappropriate hijacking of the moral authority.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
There was an article linked in this thread - today!- that gave examples. If you refuse to look at any of the examples then I guess you won't see them.
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If you choose to discount what Paterno has to say then you've lost your objectivity in this case and that's on you. I'm still taking into account what everyone has to say
Fallacious argument, appeal to authority, amazingly appealing to your own authority. I am under no obligation to accept your view of fairness as "give a successful football coach the benefit of the doubt because he is no liar." That sure doesn't sound like "just the facts."
"Rounding 3rd and heading for home, good night everybody"
You mean the part where he says he wishes he would have done more but didn't because he was worried about university procedures?
I'm not the one suffering from a loss of objectivity.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
If want to discuss a quote, provide it and we'll discuss it in context
Is there really any point in arguing with someone who is willing to believe that it's possible for a person to spend 40+ years coaching young male athletes and be unaware that such a thing as male on male rape exists?
"Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons
He must have never heard a one of those prison shower jokes. JoePa: "I always wondered what 'don't drop the soap' meant. After all these years, I get it now."
"Rounding 3rd and heading for home, good night everybody"
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