WOW.... have you ever heard of the trade.....
Danny Haren, Kiko Calero, Daric Barton for Mark Mulder
That's one of the best SP in baseball, a very very good RP, and one of the best prospects in baseball that's the equal that Votto is now. All these guys were the top Cards prospects and all would eventually be cheap for a long time.
Another parallel.... Mulder had been injured the season before the trade (like Bedard) and was considered one of the best SP in baseball (like Bedard). Both had 2 years left. However Mulder got hurt after his 1st season, and hasn't done anything afterwards. This trade was essentially....
3 years of Haren (which were all better than Mulder) AND
4 years of Calero
6 years of Barton
6 years of Gonzalez
6 years of Carter
6 years of Cunningham
6 years of Anderson
6 years of Smith
6 years of Eveland
Some of these guys you don't know, but the point is that the A's got better production from just 1 SP than Mulder, and got a potential additional 46 years of decent production.
I really don't care as long as it nets us a World Series Championship like it did for Jocketty in St. Louis.
Yes, I am familiar with that trade. In hindsight, yes it favored the A's in the end.
However the Cards did get this out of Mulder before he was injured:
Would you take that if he had been able to repeat (again barring injury)? Absolutely.Code:2005 27 STL NL 16 8 32 32 3 2 0 0 205.0 212 90 83 19 70 111 9 9 868 1 0 3.64 4.23 116 1.376
Injuries are unpredicable and can happen to prospects and veterns alike.
Regarding what Jocketty gave up:
Haren was highly regarded and definitely one of the top 2 Cardinal SP prospects at that time. To the Cardinals he was equivalent to Bailey or Cueto, however in comparison to the entire league he just a notch below.
Calero was an older RP prospect who was far from irreplacable. After two solid years with Oakland, he is now wearing down and has lost his luster.
Barton was well thought of B-type catcher prospect. He was later converted to 1B and has looked solid. However, it took him 4 years to look similar to Votto.
If we were to make up an equivalent trade with Reds players it might be like this:
Bailey, Bray/Belisle, Danny Dorn for Eric Bedard.
Are you saying you wouldn't do that in a heartbeat? I would.
Pathei mathos...
Please let me know if I'm analyzing this wrong:
Jocketty was over a proven winner in St. Louis. He also had a payroll of $120 million. He prefers veterans that cost much more than prospects. That seems at odds with the Cincinnati model. Also, it seems to me that with $120 million payroll, you SHOULD have a winner every year.
Given the fact that Cincinnati doesn't have the revenue of St. Louis, does Jocketty have the experience to build a winner when not relying on expensive veterans?
Horrible analogy. Jocketty compiled a World Series team through dealing his team's prospects for proven commodities. Rolen, Edmonds, Mulder, and even Larry Walker were all acquired by Jocketty through his trades, which eventually netted him a World Series Championship, which is the ultimate goal in the end. And to go on and say he won the World Series by luck is complete hogwash and drivel.
Braden Looper
Adam Kennedy
J.D. Drew
Daric Barton
Colby Rasmus
Rick Ankeil
Xavier Nady (did not sign)
Jack Wilson
Chris Duncan
Coco Crisp
Albert Pujols
Yadier Molina
Danny Haren
Skip Schumaker
Brad Thompson
Brendan Ryan
Anthony Reyes
All Drafted by Jocketty form 1996 to 2005. 17 major leagues who will play or who have played major roles for their team. That is two more then the Twins have drafted, and they are considered to be one of the best drafting organizations. And it is close to twice as many as the Reds have drafted.
To say "The Cards have produced nothing, and Jockety is the souce of that with his horrible drafting and development," is flat out wrong.
Yes, he does favor veterans, but he does not have a history, except for the Mulder trade, of trading quality prospects for veterans. And Mulder helped them win the division and win 100 games in the one year that he was healthy. If Mulder stays healthy, it is a good trade for everyone.
Jocketty has a history of developing a strong game plan for each season, and following through on it. That is why the Cardinals were in contention 8 out of the 12 years he was GM, and they had a ten year period of only one losing season.
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