Fan pleaser for sure.Originally Posted by UPRedsFan
Horrible baseball decision.
Fan pleaser for sure.
Horrible baseball decision.
are we better today?
No. Not when you step back and look at the big picture.
Seriously. Does anyone really think this team (with...keep your fingers crossed...Cordero and Kubel) can make the playoffs, much less go anywhere if it does?
With Baker as manager?
And if by some miracle it did, are you all itching for another 2 or 3 years of him???
Good point.
But when was the last time any team did a 4-for-1 trade where the 4 included a 28-year-old former All Star and 3 first-round picks?
Agreed. And I'm guessing it won't take all that long to become quite apparent.
Matthew Pouliot from HBT said it well:
Still, this looks like a pretty classic overpay from a frustrated GM in Walt Jocketty. The Reds’ plans had been stifled all winter to date. Now Jocketty has resorted to using the Reds’ two-best trade chips, their still tantalizing reclamation project and one of the game’s best relief prospects, all in the same deal.
The Reds had no choice but to give up Grandel and Alonso. Volquez is a roid created creature. Nothing more or less. A throw in so the rebuilding Padres could fill a spot. Without it, he can't throw above 92mph to control the baseball. Maybe he will put up "decent" numbers at that park, it made Harang look alot better than he really was. Bailey would probably look like a stud there as well.
Box being in the deal hurt. Yeah, maybe hurt bad. He has a live arm and weakens are pen for 2011, but other teams were after Latos and we had to sweeten the pot to complete the deal.
Last edited by The Rage; 12-18-2011 at 08:35 PM.
Never...this is the first time in baseball history.
I'm afraid that the Cardinals winning the WS last year made it all too personal for Jocketty. He probably felt had to go for broke before Votto (probably) leaves.
Instead, he should have followed the Hippocratic Oath: "First, do no harm."
Exactly what "harm" was done here?
The Reds FO sensed that the club's best opportunity to win is the next few years and traded surplus parts to give the team the best opportunity to win in that window. The 2012 team is undoubtedly better than it looked like it would be a week ago.
I just don't understand all of this hand wringing about what may happen three or four years down the line.
Yes. Next?
1. Was this team going to contend next year with Alonzo in left (or on the bench), Volquez in the starting rotation (or at Louisvile), Grandel at Louisville, and Boxberger as a set up man?
Answer - No.
2. Will this team contend next year with Latos in the starting rotaion?
Answer - Yes.
Nuff said.
Now go out and find a left handed batter.
So we should root against the boys being successful next year because if they are, we will be stuck longer with Baker? What am I missing here?
In any deal, you always want the best player...present or future. Seems like we got that. You don't win a World Series without having one of the best pitchers. Grandel, Alonso, Volquez nor Boxberger is that person, or could be that person. Latos can be. The REDS vaulted themselves to another level. The organization was hitting-strong and pitching-weak. They changed that.
yes...Ryan is not a back up....he might not be the stud in the mold of Mike Piazza in his prime but Ryan plays great D and his pitchers love him...not to mention he knows how to hit behind his runners and move them over for the top of the lineup...about the only time you see Ryan swinging away is with 2 outs and bases empty.....you have to be smart to be considered a stud and I see to many people annoint these young catchers studs without seeing them perform....I watched Yasmani more than once this year hit lazy fly balls to left when he had runners in scoring position with less than 2 outs.....I know alot of that depends on the situation, but a smart hitter just dont do that....Ryan at least would hit a grounder to right side hole and move that guy over to 3rd or score the guy from 3rd......and to me that means a ton more than having potential......
you throw Mes in with Ryan and we have our catchers for foreseeable future minus any injuries...Yasmani very well could be our catcher in 2016 and if thats how far anyone is looking then you might have a argument there, but I am not looking 5 years ahead....
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