Turn Off Ads?
Page 22 of 31 FirstFirst ... 12181920212223242526 ... LastLast
Results 316 to 330 of 451

Thread: AL mvp....

  1. #316
    Sprinkles are for winners dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    49,393

    Re: AL mvp....

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Derek Jeter is the oldest player to lead the league in hits, he will probably get some votes.

    Awards are flawed, awards are opinion, awards are noise
    Paul Molitor led the league in hits when he was 39. Jeter is 38.


  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #317
    Member RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    19,441

    Re: AL mvp....

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Come on Doug you don't think I know that. I just find it ironic that a defense from the New Age guys for Trout is that he is the first player in history to have X AVG + X HR + X SB. Don't you find that ironic?
    The defense was given in purposeful irony to point out the silliness of the Cabrera's Triple Crown = MVP argument. I've made my full reasoning for Trout's merits many times, in detail, throughout this thread.

    But please, make up your mind. Does batting average matter or not? It can't matter for Cabrera but not for Trout.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  4. #318
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    56,984

    Re: AL mvp....

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Paul Molitor led the league in hits when he was 39. Jeter is 38.
    DH that year right? Perhaps this is the oldest position player!!

    MVP
    MVP
    MVP

    See how that works?

  5. #319
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    1,602

    Re: AL mvp....

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    DH that year right? Perhaps this is the oldest position player!!

    MVP
    MVP
    MVP

    See how that works?
    Maybe not MVP...Maybe the chant after that accomplishment should be:

    Gold Glove!
    Gold Glove!
    Gold Glove!

    Oops...that might not be funny...

  6. #320
    Sprinkles are for winners dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    49,393

    Re: AL mvp....

    In 2010, Joey Votto posted a 171 OPS+.
    In 2012, Mike Trout posted a 171 OPS+.

    Basically, Mike Trout has been Joey Votto from 2010, but with much more defensive and base running value.

    And that is why, at least I, am saying it is a clear cut choice that he is deserves the MVP award.

  7. #321
    Member muddie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    2,035

    Re: AL mvp....

    Congratulations to former Carolina Mudcat, Miguel Cabrera, on winning the Triple Crown!

    Pretty impressive.

  8. #322
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    New York, NY
    Posts
    9,419

    Re: AL mvp....

    I think Trout should get it, but I also can't say I have a huge problem with Miggy getting it either. Guy accomplished a rare feat and had a fantastic year.

  9. #323
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Amarillo,Texas
    Posts
    4,406

    Re: AL mvp....

    The Tigers are going to the World Series. IMO, that makes Cabrera's case a little stronger.

  10. #324
    Sprinkles are for winners dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    49,393

    Re: AL mvp....

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    The Tigers are going to the World Series. IMO, that makes Cabrera's case a little stronger.
    Voting is done before the playoffs start.

  11. #325
    Member blumj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Northern MA
    Posts
    5,120

    Re: AL mvp....

    It would be nice if he ends up being the MVP of the World Series, though.
    "Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons

  12. #326
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Calgary, Alberta, aka, the most prosperous city in the world.
    Posts
    13,308

    Re: AL mvp....

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Voting is done before the playoffs start.
    If I had a nickel for every time someone posted that, I could retire.......

    Even announcers seem to miss this fact sometimes.

    If voting was not done prior to the playoffs, why would anyone even pretend to predict the winner, when the playoffs would usually determine (or at least vastly effect) the winner?

  13. #327
    Member blumj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Northern MA
    Posts
    5,120

    Re: AL mvp....

    And what if you had a nickel for every time an announcer didn't know something he should know?
    "Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons

  14. #328
    Sprinkles are for winners dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    49,393

    Re: AL mvp....

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj View Post
    And what if you had a nickel for every time an announcer didn't know something he should know?
    As a Reds fan, I would be freaking loaded with nickels.

  15. #329
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    12,216

    Re: AL mvp....

    Do not underestimate the importance of Cabrera being willing to move to 3B, one of the toughest spots on the field, so that Fielder could play 1st. HUge.

    Cabrera gets my vote without a scintilla of doubt.

  16. #330
    A Pleasure to Burn Joseph's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    The Avenue
    Posts
    8,613

    Re: AL mvp....

    It's good to have two candidates who 'deserve' to win as opposed to some years.

    Historically both are excellent choices. My vote would have to go to Cabrera though.

    Championships for MY teams in my lifetime:
    Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90
    Chicago Blackhawks - 10, 13, 15
    University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12
    Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98


    “Everything that happens before Death is what counts.”
    ― Ray Bradbury, Something Wicked This Way Comes


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | Gallen5862 | Plus Plus | Powel Crosley | RedlegJake | The Operator