Originally Posted by smith288
Changeup, slider...what's difference is facts when you are trying to win a pulitzer?
Changeup, slider...what's difference is facts when you are trying to win a pulitzer?
This one's for you, Steve Phillips.
Watching him pitch in high school was a treat as well. Mid 90's from the left side. Only problem pitching was none of the area catcher's could catch his fastball or slider.
IIRC he had a throw in where it was really offline or missed the cut-off man and a run scored. But most of the comments in the game thread chocked it up to nevers and trying to over throw the ball.
I didn't get to listen to the whole game, but that's what stood out to me.
Here are some interesting posts from Trents blog, not saying I agree 100%, just a different spin. I apologize in advance for lifting them, if these people also post here.:
Mr. Doom and Gloom said...
How long will it be before a summary of Hamilton's past can be left out of articles about his performance on the field?
Not saying it's not a great story, just saying it's getting old rereading it in every article in which his name is mentioned.
Sooner or later it's got to stop right? Just wondering when.
bas1626 said...
Josh Hamilton is the best story you've ever covered??? Wow. I mean I guess it's great that a crackhead overcame his self-inflicted drug problem and only threw away 4-5 years of his life as opposed to 20-30 years. But come on.
I'm with Rick that it's kind of sad the media keeps crowning Josh and treating him like he's some sort of hero while other players who were clean to begin with and worked just as hard to get where they are, get nothing. Is Josh really more deserving of praise or adulation than that guy? Apparently since this is the greatest story at least one journalist has ever covered.
Yes, because baseball is a sport that praises people for talent and accomplishment. So far Hamilton's accomplishment (baseball wise) is that he tore it up in the spring and earned a spot on the team, I'm sure he'll add to that as he goes along. That other guy is probably a great guy and works hard, but he isn't going to help the Reds win more than Josh Hamilton. It's not that other guy's fault that he doesn't have Josh's natural abilities, but that's the way it goes.
"I know a lot about the law and various other lawyerings."
Hitters who avoid outs are the funnest.
That is a pitiful, selfish comment, and a disturbing look at the sad side of humanity.bas1626 said...
Josh Hamilton is the best story you've ever covered??? Wow. I mean I guess it's great that a crackhead overcame his self-inflicted drug problem and only threw away 4-5 years of his life as opposed to 20-30 years. But come on.
I'm with Rick that it's kind of sad the media keeps crowning Josh and treating him like he's some sort of hero while other players who were clean to begin with and worked just as hard to get where they are, get nothing. Is Josh really more deserving of praise or adulation than that guy? Apparently since this is the greatest story at least one journalist has ever covered.
I haven't heard anyone crowning Josh Hamilton with anything.
What's sad is that someone can't sit back and appreciate the hell this man has gone through....self admittedly brought on by himself....and see him turning the corner to make it back to 'normal' again. There's a hope I have for any human being who has battled and struggled to get past the darkness.
I was having dinner last night w/ my boss, following the game on my blackberry (rude, but necessary). When I saw "Josh Hamilton HR, Kyle Loshe scores, Josh Hamilton scores" come across the refreshed screen.....it was like I was watching the 'scene' in The Natural all over again...when he hit the cover off the ball. Are you kidding me? Did that just happen? Who is this guy?It was the coolest sports moment I've seen in a long long time, and an unbelievable 'human interest' story that it didn't take a baseball fan to understand the magnitude. I don't care if he hit the homer against the Reds to win the game....it would still have been something to appreciate.
If Josh returns to his dark side, ....I will be very sad for the guy, but it won't diminish one bit what he did last night. Others will be smugly ready to laugh and feel like the world is all right again.
pffffft.
Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand
Let me defend myself quickly here:
Josh Hamilton deserves all kinds of praise for his ability to pull himself out of the self-hell he created and become a professional ballplayer and good person. Everything I've seen & heard from the guy makes me a huge fan.
That said, any discussion of his past BY THE MEDIA should be placed in the context that he's darn lucky to be where he is and in no way whatsoever glamorize his demons. 1,000's of people go down that road and never come back. I think many people treat it very well, including C. Trent, I just take issue with the way certain media outlets have handled it.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
I guess I missed your first post?
Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand
I didn't know the media was glamorizing his demons...I haven't seen those..maybe some are, I don't know.
I finally see a good story about a guy who's had his struggles, battled his way to sobriety, and back into the game he loves. A guy who doesn't blame other people for his problems, but blames himself. A guy who credits his loved ones for having his back, giving him support, and helping him. I see a guy who credits the Reds for giving him another chance at his first true love, he understands that it isn't a right to be a pro athlete. I see a guy who appreciates everything he has now, who seems to have learned from his mistakes, and doesn't shy away from his past when talking about the person he's become. I see a guy who really wants to do well, who really cares about changing his life....this is a guy you can feel for...this is a guy who gets it.
Then I see a guy like Chris Henry...hell, his agent called it a "witch hunt" when he got caught driving with a suspended license.
Last edited by Matt700wlw; 04-11-2007 at 05:23 PM.
Just to add to the "media created" story...
http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs....10329/1035/SPT
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