Norm Chortleton (08-12-2013)
It means absolutely nothing. If Mike Trout were on the Tigers, they would have finished in first and if Cabrera were on the Angles, they would have finished in third.
It is the Most Valuable Player award. Not the most valuable player who had his teammates also perform well enough to finish ahead of someone else in their division with crappy teams while a better player on a better team faced tougher competition and despite his team winning more games finished in third so he can't be as valuable award.
jojo (08-12-2013)
Ifs and buts and candy and nuts.
If Barry Larkin was in NYC, he would have been Derek Jeter.
You are who you play for, and it's value to your specific team. Trout changed absolutely nothing about his team. He was essentially the Angels' T-Mac. In the NFL, I *think* you have to go back to something like 1973 (OJ) to find an MVP that wasn't in the playoffs. It matters.
Rounding third and heading for home...
It only matters because the writers try to make it about something that it isn't.
The best player in the league in a given year is the most valuable. By definition one can't be more valuable than the best. Writers try to make it happen all of the time though. I have no clue why, but it is crazy talk. It is illogical.
I still love how the team with the worst record gets more credit because they played in a crappy division though. I need to quit Redszone. It can't be good for me.
I said the voters, as a whole, never give the MVP based on your criteria. You said a minority of the voters do vote using your criteria. My comparison was to show that in MVP voting, just like political elections, you need the majority of votes to win.
Mike Trout = not enough votes = 2nd place
Mitt Romney = not enough votes = 2nd place
Last edited by Norm Chortleton; 08-12-2013 at 09:04 PM.
BluegrassRedleg (08-12-2013)
Like Doug said, the Angels won more games than the Tigers. So what the hell do the win totals in the regular season matter in this debate?
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
Win totals don't. Place in the standings do. Right or wrong, it's always been that way. Just like pitchers are rarely ever considered, even if they are the most valuable players.
This debate is as old as the award itself. Your point of view is reasonable, but has been rejected by the voters. They almost always go with the best player from the best team unless someone else has a season that is far, far superior.
BluegrassRedleg (08-12-2013)
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