the way this offense is non existent, if i am a Cueto or Latos i want to go to a hitting team...
the way this offense is non existent, if i am a Cueto or Latos i want to go to a hitting team...
RedTeamGo! (07-29-2014)
Oh, Gawd. Mr Thundering Herd is probably right. Here's a thought. Great pitching is wonderful unless you have hackers as hitters who can't score. And a bench that is so void of talent that they couldn't make the 1962 Mets. At least they had Gil Hodges.
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In the long run, much rather have Frazier at 3rd. EE doesn't play 3rd anymore for Toronto either.
Last edited by CrosleyField; 07-29-2014 at 06:18 AM. Reason: left off a word
EE is a craptastic defender and that's with him playing first. Juan Francisco is a better option at third for the Jays...... Edwin is a DH.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
HokieRed (07-29-2014)
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Red Raindog (07-31-2014)
Giving this one a bump -- got to admit the OP was closer to right than wrong --- shrug -- YMMV
The older I get - the better I was
and yes - I hate the Cardinals (Reds fan since 1958)
I miss Raisor
During his 4.5 years with the Reds (2008 PA), EE was a slightly better than league average hitter.Code:Years Team AVG OBP SLG wRC+ 2005-09 Reds .262 .345 .449 104 2009-11 Blue Jays .257 .320 .461 108 2012-14 Blue Jays .276 .375 .556 150
During his first 2.5 years with the Blue Jays (1070 PA), EE was a slightly better than league average hitter.
During his last 2.5 years with the Blue Jays (1640 PA), EE has been an MVP caliber hitter.
It took the Jays more than two full seasons to develop EE in to a monster hitter. Were the Reds "wrong" about EE? Sure, I guess, in the sense that he eventually became a 150 wRC+ hitter. That it took him more than two years to do so as a Jay suggests it wasn't just an issue of the Reds holding him back.
But the bottom line is this: Had the Reds kept EE and he developed exactly as he has, he would have hit FA before he figured it out. The trade did not cost the Reds the 150 wRC+ version of EE. Even if you think he could have played LF*, your story of the Reds screwing up big time still ignores this reality. Now, if you want to invent a world where EE becomes a 150 wRC+ hitter at age 25 if only the team had developed him better, I won't take that from you. But that's a wholly different argument than the critique of the trade itself -- keeping a player you can't develop simply because he's got more talent in him than he's shown does your team no good.
(*I think he may have been able to as well, but I know lateral quickness and foot-speed are not the same thing. Teams don't generally DH guys that can play a position capably. And if he's a below average defender in LF...)
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
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