According to Lance McAlister:
https://twitter.com/LanceMcAlister/s...45826398601218
#Reds will non-tender Bill Bray. He was eligible for arbitration. He now becomes a free agent. I wish Bill the best and good health.
According to Lance McAlister:
https://twitter.com/LanceMcAlister/s...45826398601218
#Reds will non-tender Bill Bray. He was eligible for arbitration. He now becomes a free agent. I wish Bill the best and good health.
"I never argue with people who say baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn't. And that's what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
So who won "the trade".
The can of worms is opened.
"Boys, I'm one of those umpires that misses 'em every once in a while so if it's close, you'd better hit it." Cal Hubbard
I wonder if there's any chance he comes back with a minor league deal or if he's pretty much guaranteed a major league contract somewhere.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
I'll always remember him spiking the pitchout to the backstop, the runner on third coming home, Bray not noticing and sauntering slowly towards the plate, realizing what was happening just before the throw from Hanigan clocked him in the face... embarrassing moment that one.
The REDS and it is not even close. Just for the fact that they unloaded two players that made way more money than they deserved. One of these players was so bad that they released him (also the worst fielding SS in 2007). I do not care what the REDS got back... they unloaded two players who were not that good and frankly did not deserve to be in the starting lineup for most MLB teams despite getting starting-8 type of money.
OPS+
* Kearns: 113 w/ REDS ; 92 w/ NATS
* Lopez: 97 w/ REDS ; 76 w/ NATS
MONEY!
* Kearns in Wash.: 2007 = $3.5 mill, 2008 = $5.0 mill, 2009 = $8.0 mill
* Lopez in Wash.: 2007 = $3.9 mill, 2008 = $4.9 mill (released 7-31-2008!)
In terms of pure production, the Nats won easily.
I guess some people will claim the Reds won because they save money, but the Reds could've accomplished the same thing by nontendering Kearns and Lopez.
In the end, the Reds got 174 IP out of Bray.. about 80 IP of those (my estimate) were good. The remaining were mediocre or bad. Only accumulated 1.8 WAR over his 6 year stay here.
I remember when people were clinging to Daryl Thompson being the savior of the trade. I guess there will be a new rationalization now to justify the Reds winning this.
The biggest impact was that the 2007 team which was in pseudo-contention collapsed after the "Trade"
Clayton, Maj, and Bray (along with Freel and maybe Deno in the OF after the trade) contributed a lot to the collapse.
Seems like an obvious loss for the Reds to me.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
In my eyes, the Reds "won" the trade by not wasting money on Kearns, Lopez, and Wagner. In the meantime, they got some value out of Bray, particularly a couple a years ago when they won the division.
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In my eyes, Jim Bowden lost.
Put me in the "I don't care" since the deal is too far removed to have any current impact and everyone involved career's are either dead or on life support. Also, the folks making the deal no longer have any decision making capacity with the Reds. The amount of analysis performed on this trade just goes to show how slim the pickings were in "exciting" transactions of that time period.
"Rounding 3rd and heading for home, good night everybody"
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