I wouldn't trade Leake. I wouldn't sign Arroyo. I'm glad the Reds didn't make a QO, which was smart.
Time to move on.
If the Reds have, say, $5 million to pay Arroyo, I'd rather they used it for a good fourth outfielder.
I wouldn't trade Leake. I wouldn't sign Arroyo. I'm glad the Reds didn't make a QO, which was smart.
Time to move on.
If the Reds have, say, $5 million to pay Arroyo, I'd rather they used it for a good fourth outfielder.
Edd Roush (01-31-2014)
Not making a QO to Arroyo may have been the best move of the offseason. That being said, if the Reds could get Arroyo to sign for 1 year for somewhere around 4-5 mil I'd do it. I wonder if Arroyo not getting any hard offers is making him rethink asking for 3 years.
DocRed (01-30-2014)
Unless hitters figure him out, which has been known to happen on occasion.
Look, I like Cingrani. But he has barely 100 innings experience in MLB. It's not outside the realm of possibility for him to regress this year. We just don't have much of a frame of reference of what to expect because of his limited experience. That's all I was trying to say. Didn't mean to get so far off topic.
I do not think it is off topic as he is the pitcher Arroyo would bump if he were resigned with no corresponding move (Leake being traded).
It is certainly possible for Cingrani to have a sophmore slump. It is unlikely for his K rate to dip too much though, rookies do not come around often and put up a 10 k/9 over 100 innings. Ones that do tend to stick. If he keeps his K rate relatively high, he will be OK moving forward. Even if he has a sophmore slump, I am fine with that as it will help him moving forward.
The Reds would basically be paying millions to Arroyo to take valuable experience away from Cingrani. That I would not be OK with, even if Arroyo put a season up similar to last year. I enjoyed the heck out of watching Arroyo pitch for my Reds, and am grateful for all he did to help move this franchise in the right direction, but it is time to move on.
He's also pretty awesome at putting hitters away. Last year's stats:
After 0-2 count: 85 PA, 4 BB, 1(!!!) H - .013 BA, .059 OBP
After 1-2 count: 144 PA, 11 BB, 12 H - .091 BA, .167 OBP
After 2-2 count: 135 PA, 16 BB, 13 H - .109 BA, .215 OBP
The 0-2 stat is one of my favorites to drop on people to add to the "WHO?" factor. Just for fun - the Cy Young winners: Kershaw was .108 and Scherzer .099.
No one expects the butterfly
thatcoolguy_22 (01-30-2014)
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