I think the GAB is ok.. but I don't see that stuff they mentioned (carpet, etc)
However, it was well publicized that John Allen did extensive "value engineering" on parts of the ballpark to reduce the amount of money the Reds had to pay. Looks like some of that stuff is wearing out and needs to be replaced.. Allen/Lindner.. the curse that keeps on giving..
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
Yep, I agree that overall it's in good shape.
Still, if a lot of the floors are worn out after 11 years, maybe they didn't use the greatest materials to begin with?
I understand, this is a commerical setting, but still.. 81 games/year X 11 years .. that means the floors have about 2.5 years of "real life" on them.
Sure, maybe some parts of the GAB are used on other days, but it seems that they didn't exactly get top of the line stuff.
Now you are right, some of it is probably normal maintenance.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
During the "evacuation" of the grandstand during the Saturday game vs the Pirates a couple weeks ago, my group huddled near the entrance to the press box. Around that area there were quite a few spots where you could see some rusty spots at junctions of the steel superstructure. If you were just breezing through, you wouldn't have noticed. But since we were there the better part of an hour, we noticed. The place is no where near falling apart but there are some cosmetic things that could be done to spruce it up. $5 million for sprucing up an 11 year old building of that nature sounds about right to me. Admittedly, I'm not a Hamilton County resident.
When all is said and done more is said than done.
How long do things last in your house? Do you have 20K people going through it 81 times a year? Do you ever spruce it up when the relatives are coming over? Are you going to hold an event there in a couple of years that is going to be on national TV for everyone to see?
As for not using the top of the line stuff, let's say they didn't. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. If they used the top of the line stuff, it would have made the cost of the stadium more expensive. So, to give the taxpayers a break, they get some stuff that is not top of the line. Now they have to replace it and that's going to cost some more money. John Allen and Carl Lindner are gone. Let it go.
On the baseball side, if nothing else he kept the team in town and under local ownership, laid some of the groundwork for the team's current success and made a great choice in selling to Castellini.
I get that you don't like Mr. Lindner since you've taken the opportunity to trash him here dozens of times over the years (sometimes mild, sometimes nasty). I just wish you would consider that many of us here in Cincinnati loved the man. Aside from my own father, there is no one in this world I have ever admired more. I doubt anyone in the last fifty years did more for the city of Cincinnati. So maybe out of respect for the man, for those of us who loved him and for everything he did for this town, you could cut him some slack and quit running him down at every opportunity. I know I would appreciate it.
remdog (07-31-2013)
I'd say you're probably taking REDREAD's comments too personally. Now granted I can't offhand recall everything he has said about Lindner, but I don't recall him disparaging Lindner as a person or a citizen, just as the owner of the Reds. And I'm sorry if it offends you, but it's awfully hard to find anybody who thinks the Lindner ownership of the Cincinnati Reds was anything short of bad.
Now as for REDREAD's John Allen, that's another story.
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
BurgervilleBuck (08-28-2013)
"Enjoy this Reds fans, you are watching a legend grow up before your very eyes" ... DoogMinAmo on Adam Dunn
If the county I lived in said we are going to spend a couple million in hopes of bringing in more than that in revenue on a pretty safe investment, I'd be cool with it.
That's all it is, an investment to bring a top-line attraction to town. And without Mr. Millionaire's stadium, that attraction isn't coming.
And sure, most renovations would have probably had to be done anyway at some point, but when the ASG is considering Cincy, one of the conditions is a tip-top stadium in 2015. So bargains are made.
Is it an ideal thing, using taxpayer money, nah. But overall it's a net win for the county, it's residents, and it's bottom line.
HeatherC1212 (08-02-2013)
I know I was at the time. I was telling people in the last century things like "you mean to tell me that in the last 10 years of this lease we'll be paying the Bengals to play here?" It sounds nuts at the time and I'm dunbfounded that our gov't agreed to such a thing
The more I think about it, $5 million is absolutely nothing compared to the revenue that is now flowing through the streets of Cincinnati due to the Reds. Walk out the front door of GABP and look at the Banks. That is a hotbed of city revenue. If not for the Reds, that is just a parking lot. Are they 100% responsible for the resurgence? No. But they certainly had a hand in it.
HeatherC1212 (08-02-2013),KittyDuran (08-01-2013),reds1869 (08-01-2013),redsmetz (08-01-2013),remdog (08-01-2013)
Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please. |