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  1. 02-18-2011, 10:32 AM #1
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    RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Had some last minute entrants so we went with a 32 man bracket. Might have been a couple greats left off but I think we have the bread & butter here.

    Post your vote for each matchup in this thread, feel free to explain your reasoning. Actually that would be encouraged.

    Round 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Round 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro     vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
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  5. 02-18-2011, 08:03 PM #4
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Round 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
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  6. 02-19-2011, 04:40 AM #5
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Tough choices for me were Yaz vs. Jr. and Clemente vs Sosa.
    I'd love to see a losers bracket as many of these guys like Crawford and Kaline are great players that never had a chance.
    Not sure I get the Joe Jackson over Rickey pick. Jackson has 6 remarkable seasons, but was always a SB liability and Rickey, believe it or not, was a big asset in the field for many seasons.

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
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  8. 02-19-2011, 12:57 PM #7
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    These are all no-brainer choices in Round 1, but it will start getting interesting beyond this.

    Round 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
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  9. 02-19-2011, 02:22 PM #8
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    ^ I agree with these.
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    These are all no-brainer choices in Round 1, but it will start getting interesting beyond this.
    The only one that I thought was difficult was Henderson/Jackson. Jackson had a much better wOBA. Using traditional stats that should swing heavily in Rickey's favor, Jackson comes out ahead despite having played in the Deadball Era. Henderson has a tremendous advantage in steals no doubt about it. But I think this one was fairly tough.
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Quote Originally Posted by reds1869 View Post
    The only one that I thought was difficult was Henderson/Jackson. Jackson had a much better wOBA. Using traditional stats that should swing heavily in Rickey's favor, Jackson comes out ahead despite having played in the Deadball Era. Henderson has a tremendous advantage in steals no doubt about it. But I think this one was fairly tough.
    It just comes down to total career value for me. Henderson played in over 3,000 games while Jackson played in just over 1,300. Jackson was the better peak player, but Henderson has such an immense edge in career value. Merge those two factors, and I have to take Henderson's edge in career value (mind you, I am a big Joe Jackson fan myself).
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxblood View Post
    Had some last minute entrants so we went with a 32 man bracket. Might have been a couple greats left off but I think we have the bread & butter here.

    Post your vote for each matchup in this thread, feel free to explain your reasoning. Actually that would be encouraged.

    Round 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
    For my money the hardest decision here is between Rickey Henderson and Shoeless Joe Jackson. Jackson's best years are better than Henderson's but Henderson's career was much longer and for my money he's the greatest lead off hitter in the history of baseball, so I give Henderson the edge.
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  13. 02-21-2011, 11:39 AM #12
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Good feedback so far, will probably keep this up until Thursday and have Round 2 up Friday.
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1


    Round 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb
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    Re: RZ Greatest OF Tournament - Rd 1

    Babe Ruth vs. Reggie Jackson

    Ken Griffey Jr vs. Carl Yaztremski

    Mickey Mantle vs. Tony Gwynn

    Harry Heilmann vs. Willie Mays

    Frank Robinson vs. Dave Winfield

    Chuck Klein vs. Hank Aaron

    Rickey Henderson vs. Joe Jackson

    Sammy Sosa vs. Roberto Clemente

    Joe DiMaggio vs. Paul Waner

    Manny Ramirez vs. Al Simmons

    Ichiro vs. Stan Musial

    Ted Williams vs. Sam Crawford

    Gary Sheffield vs. Mel Ott

    Barry Bonds vs. Al Kaline

    Larry Walker vs. Tris Speaker

    Hack Wilson vs. Ty Cobb


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