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M2 (01-22-2014)
Kevin Garcia and Tyler Mahle made Sickels' list at #19 and #20. Definitely two to keep our eyes on this year.
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After reading this I think we are in pretty good shape, we just need to have a solid draft this year with the extra picks.
I like Rahier's swing better than Rosa's. The fact that he plays a tough-to-fill position adequately (or better) makes him the better bet at this point, IMO.
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I think they will probably start with Ervin there and probably replace him with Rosa once he gets promoted. I would expect Medina, Matthews and Sebastian Elizalde there as well. It may be crowded and keep Garcia down in Billings.
Rosa is an interesting case. Due to a strange rule, assuming it was shared correctly with me, he can only spend 30 days or less in the Pioneer League because of how long he has been in rookie ball. Despite just being 20 during the season, he can't stick around there long so he is going to find his way to Dayton at some point.
That last part, if you heard correctly, is yet another reason why I'd like to see the Reds find a short season affiliate too. The New York-Penn League is beckoning.
It will be interesting to see what they do with Ervin. I suppose how good he looks in camp will determine his placement. In a general sense, he certainly seems to be the kind of hitter you challenge. Plus, the Cali League isn't really that much of a challenge for hitters.
Completely forgot about Elizalde. What was the reason he never played after signing last spring?
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Edd Roush (01-24-2014)
Miller pitched more innings than Cingrani last year (173 to 104), and quite effectively at that, so I don't know what you are talking about with the "more sustained success" claim.
Wacha may not be that good, true, we don't know yet. But he is a major league pitcher already and Stephenson is not, pie-in-the-sky Cy Young predictions notwithstanding.
I've read a lot about Martinez and Corcino, and I don't know what you are talking about there either. And the Cards have other better pitchers than Martinez, too (like Rosenthal, as someone pointed out).
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camisadelgolf (01-24-2014)
Cingani had a better ERA over the season.
Wacha might be a major league pitcher, a below average one at that, but Stephenson has a higher ceiling and has significantly outperformed Wacha at every level. And as others on this board have said, he's the best prospect the Reds have had in decades. His floor is a serviceable #2 and his high is a Cy Young.
Rosenthal is a one year wonder. I don't think him or Martinez have the pure stuff that Corcino does. Travieso and Lively are two others that I think are better than any prospect or young pitcher the Cardinals have.
We get it. It's obvious what you're doing. Go back to the STLToday forum.
I don't think anyone has said that Corcino is better than Martinez or Rosenthal, or that Stephenson has "significantly outperformed Wacha at every level" especially given that Wacha pitched in college and effectively started at AAA, where Stephenson hasn't pitched yet.
But this isn't really a post based in reality, is it?
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