Hall of Fame worthy? ....

[_Sir_Charles_]

I know it's possible his career isn't over, but Chris Carpenter. I can't stand the guy myself, but what say you Redszone....HoF career?

[westofyou]

Not in a million years

[George Anderson]

Don Drysdale was better than Carp and he doesn't belong.

[MikeThierry]

He had Hall of Fame stuff but was too injured in his career.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by George Anderson

Don Drysdale was better than Carp and he doesn't belong.

Don Drysdale was one of the most dominant pitchers in his generation. He does belong in the HOF.

[webbbj]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

He had Hall of Fame stuff but was too injured in his career.

that pretty much sums it up.

[MikeThierry]

The real question is, how is Chris Carpenter going to explain this thread to his son?

[redsmetz]

I went to Baseball-Reference and was actually shocked at how far off the mark Carpenter falls on their several HOF standards. I was going to say no, but was open to be persuaded if the record hinted at the possibility. I'm a broad-brush person with the HOF, but I'm not even convinced Curt Schilling belongs and Carpenter's career is miniscule compared to Schilling. (caveat, I have a huge bias against Schilling, so I acknowledge that likely colors my viewpoint)

[George Anderson]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Don Drysdale was one of the most dominant pitchers in his generation. He does belong in the HOF.

Check this book out by Bill James. He spent a whole chapter explaining why Drysdale did not belong.


http://www.amazon.com/The-Politics-G...s+hall+of+fame

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by redsmetz

I went to Baseball-Reference and was actually shocked at how far off the mark Carpenter falls on their several HOF standards. I was going to say no, but was open to be persuaded if the record hinted at the possibility. I'm a broad-brush person with the HOF, but I'm not even convinced Curt Schilling belongs and Carpenter's career is miniscule compared to Schilling. (caveat, I have a huge bias against Schilling, so I acknowledge that likely colors my viewpoint)

Jose Rijo is more qualified for the HOF than Carpenter

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by George Anderson

Check this book out by Bill James. He spent a whole chapter explaining why Drysdale did not belong.


http://www.amazon.com/The-Politics-G...s+hall+of+fame

from 1950 to 1990 the game was pretty much a pitching centric game (the 50's are debatable) In that era here are the top 25 pitchers in Runs Saved Against Average, 2000 IP

CAREER
1950-1990

ERA vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
INNINGS PITCHED displayed only--not a sorting criteria
WINS displayed only--not a sorting criteria
LOSSES displayed only--not a sorting criteria
SHUTOUTS displayed only--not a sorting criteria

RSAA                           RSAA      ERA      IP        W        L       SHO    
1    Tom Seaver                  404     0.79   4782.2      311      205       61   
2    Bert Blyleven               353     0.54   4837        279      238       60   
3    Bob Gibson                  350     0.67   3885        251      174       56   
4    Phil Niekro                 322     0.33   5404.1      318      274       45   
5    Whitey Ford                 321     1.10   3171        236      106       45   
6    Gaylord Perry               317     0.53   5350.1      314      265       53   
7    Jim Palmer                  314     0.86   3948        268      152       53   
T8   Hoyt Wilhelm                282     1.24   2253        143      122        5   
T8   Steve Carlton               282     0.41   5217.1      329      244       55   
10   Ferguson Jenkins            271     0.32   4500.2      284      226       49   
11   Juan Marichal               252     0.67   3506        243      142       52   
12   Dave Stieb                  245     0.72   2666.2      166      123       30   
13   Warren Spahn                241     0.79   4254.2      298      204       49   
14   Billy Pierce                231     0.75   3068        201      154       38   
15   Don Drysdale                229     0.70   3432        209      166       49   
16   Sandy Koufax                220     0.94   2325        165       87       40   
17   Jim Bunning                 205     0.43   3759.1      224      184       40   
T18  Rick Reuschel               203     0.28   3537.2      214      189       26   
T18  Robin Roberts               203     0.51   4315        264      221       42   
20   Nolan Ryan                  187     0.53   4989.1      302      272       59   
21   Dennis Eckersley            180     0.41   2815.1      169      140       20   
22   Tommy John                  173     0.42   4710.1      288      231       46   
23   Luis Tiant                  172     0.31   3486.1      229      172       49   
24   Ron Guidry                  166     0.77   2392        170       91       26   
25   Larry Jackson               164     0.26   3262        194      183       37

[MikeThierry]

I'm looking at that list and I'm thinking to myself "does anyone feel that Tommy John is kind of underrated and should have been debated more for the HOF?"

[George Anderson]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

I'm looking at that list and I'm thinking to myself "does anyone feel that Tommy John is kind of underrated and should have been debated more for the HOF?"

I dont have the book in front of me but i think James felt Tommy John was worthy.

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

I'm looking at that list and I'm thinking to myself "does anyone feel that Tommy John is kind of underrated and should have been debated more for the HOF?"

He's borderline.

Pitched in Dodger Stadium and Comiskey when it was a pure pitchers park

Billy Pierce pitched in a hitters era so I'd say he's underrated and nearly forgotten

[mdccclxix]

Had a late start and doesn't have the counting stats. As for injuries, I think our own Barry Larkin was initially written off when he retired as having very little chance. Without checking the numbers at all, I'd say he's got a long term, long shot. He pretty much presided over the NL central for 3-5 years.