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 08-26-2013, 04:53 AM #31 AtomicDumpling KungFu Fighter     Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hamilton, OH Posts: 2,577 Re: Sabermetric Question wOBA is a stat similar to OPS but it factors in basestealing as well. You can find it on Fangraphs. Most sabre types consider wOBA the best offensive metric.
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 08-26-2013, 10:09 AM #32 Cooper Member   Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Richmond, Indiana Posts: 1,650 Re: Sabermetric Question quick and dirty .... you add the bases aquired to slugging percentage sb - 2 (caught stealing) x .67= bases gained and you add that to slugging perentage. billy hamilton for example: 73 sb -2 x (14 caught stealing) x .67 = 30 bases. You take those 30 bases and you add them to the number of total bases (168) and that gives you 198...making his adjusted rate .410 slugging percentage. It's quick and dirty but this formula factors in much of what was done in the other formulas mentioned above, but it cuts out about 4 steps.
08-26-2013, 10:17 AM   #33
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 Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling wOBA is a stat similar to OPS but it factors in basestealing as well. You can find it on Fangraphs. Most sabre types consider wOBA the best offensive metric.
I don't think wOBA includes SB any longer:

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 This stat accounts for the following aspects of hitting: unintentional walks, hit-by-pitches, singles, doubles, triples, home runs. Stolen-bases and caught stealing numbers used to be included as well on FanGraphs, but they are now instead accounted for with the stats UBR and wSB. This way, wOBA accounts for just a player’s production at the plate.
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 08-26-2013, 10:24 AM #34 kaldaniels Viva la Rolen     Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,180 Re: Sabermetric Question Can we use this thread for any sabermetric questions? I think that would be great rather than starting a new thread every time a question pops into my or someone else's head. Here's one. The other day BP took charge of a high pop up in foul ground which should have been Votto's ball (around the dugout). Now granted that is one play in a sea of plays BP will make all year, but does that count as a "great" play when figuring UZR?
08-26-2013, 10:27 AM   #35
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 Originally Posted by kaldaniels Can we use this thread for any sabermetric questions? I think that would be great rather than starting a new thread every time a question pops into my or someone else's head. Here's one. The other day BP took charge of a high pop up in foul ground which should have been Votto's ball (around the dugout). Now granted that is one play in a sea of plays BP will make all year, but does that count as a "great" play when figuring UZR?
I'm guessing that counts as an "Out of Zone" play.

Unless it's regularly made by other 2B, then it's just a "play."
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08-26-2013, 10:33 AM   #36
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 Originally Posted by nate I'm guessing that counts as an "Out of Zone" play. Unless it's regularly made by other 2B, then it's just a "play."

If it was in Votto's zone, does it effect his zone rating if BP makes the play?
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08-26-2013, 11:07 AM   #37
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 Originally Posted by Raisor Follow up: If it was in Votto's zone, does it effect his zone rating if BP makes the play?
No.

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 Let’s say that that same batted ball in the example above was caught by the CF’er on the first play of a game... The LF’er, even though he typically catches that same ball 10% of the time, gets no demerits for not making the play. In UZR, when a ball is caught and turned into an out by one fielder, no other fielder gets docked any runs. This helps to minimize the effects of “ball-hogging.”
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08-26-2013, 11:09 AM   #38
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08-26-2013, 01:57 PM   #39
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Re: Sabermetric Question

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 Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling wOBA is a stat similar to OPS but it factors in basestealing as well. You can find it on Fangraphs. Most sabre types consider wOBA the best offensive metric.
This. If you're looking for an aggregate measure of offensive performance that includes the variety of ways of contributing offensively, wOBA is the way to go.

Also, consider looking at wRC+, which is the indexed version of wOBA relative to league average.
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 08-26-2013, 06:05 PM #40 Spitball Member     Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 5,585 Re: Sabermetric Question This is a little off topic, but I found this earlier this summer on The Hardball Times site and thought it interesting. It is pretty involved but basically breaks the responsibility for a stolen base down to the runner, pitcher, and catcher. http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...ing-run-value/ __________________ "I am your child from the future. I'm sorry I didn't tell you this earlier." - Dylan Easton
08-26-2013, 07:04 PM   #41
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 Originally Posted by nate I don't think wOBA includes SB any longer:
Hmmm. Interesting. I hadn't heard of that change. It must have been a very recent change. I will have to look into that. Thanks for mentioning it.

08-26-2013, 07:16 PM   #42
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 Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling Hmmm. Interesting. I hadn't heard of that change. It must have been a very recent change. I will have to look into that. Thanks for mentioning it.
My bad. It appears that they've since broken it out.

In that case, consider looking at: wRAA for the hitting value & UBR for the total baserunning value (includes both SB & other base-running activity)
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