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07-23-2004, 11:40 PM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
Pete Rose hands down...with frank Robinson a close second (although we missed many of his best years thanks to GM Bill DeWitt).
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07-23-2004, 11:44 PM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
Since he was my all time favorite player I am bound to say Eric Davis but trying not to be biased I will have to go with Johnny Bench.
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07-24-2004, 12:04 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
Ed Armbrister
Great bunter.
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07-24-2004, 12:31 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
Davis was good, but he wasn't close to Bench, Morgan, Rose, Robinson or Kal Daniels.
Okay that last part was a joke. Two Reds that I loved even though they broke my heart? Kevin Mitchell and Ron Gant. On a side note- anyone ever look at old pictures of George Foster? The dude had the tiniest arms in baseball and still belted 52 homers one year.
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07-24-2004, 01:06 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
Frank Robinson and Joe Morgan are 1 and 2 in OPS. But then, Dmitri Young is No. 8 and Reggie Sanders is No. 10.
If you need to score runs, you need to consider Bid McPhee. Dave Concepcion has as many RBIs as Barry Larkin does. What about the best player ever who played even a little bit with the Reds? Griffey? Seaver? Mathewson? Thorpe? |
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07-24-2004, 01:41 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
Joe Morgan.
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07-24-2004, 01:46 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
With all this talk of Frank Robinson, only one name comes to mind...Milt Pappas.
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07-24-2004, 01:56 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
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07-24-2004, 01:59 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
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CINCINNATI REDS CAREER AT BATS displayed only--not a sorting criteria GAMES displayed only--not a sorting criteria AVERAGE DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AB G 1 Ernie Lombardi .043 .311 .268 3980 1203 2 Edd Roush .041 .331 .290 5384 1399 3 Jake Beckley .041 .325 .283 3465 879 4 Pete Rose .040 .307 .267 10934 2722 5 Barry Larkin .040 .295 .255 7591 2069 6 Heine Groh .032 .298 .266 4439 1211 7 Johnny Temple .031 .292 .260 3629 978 8 Joe Morgan .029 .288 .259 4008 1154 9 Ted Kluszewski .027 .302 .275 4961 1339 10 Frank Robinson .026 .303 .276 5527 1502 EXTRA BASE HITS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AB G 1 Johnny Bench 277 794 517 7658 2158 T2 Barry Larkin 206 689 483 7591 2069 T2 Frank Robinson 206 692 486 5527 1502 4 Joe Morgan 181 399 218 4008 1154 5 Tony Perez 161 682 521 6846 1948 6 George Foster 137 488 351 4454 1253 7 Vada Pinson 126 624 498 6335 1565 8 Eric Davis 114 360 246 3272 985 T9 Ted Kluszewski 111 518 407 4961 1339 T9 Pete Rose 111 868 757 10934 2722 OBA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AB G 1 Joe Morgan .091 .415 .324 4008 1154 2 Barry Larkin .054 .371 .317 7591 2069 3 Heine Groh .053 .378 .325 4439 1211 4 Frank Robinson .047 .389 .342 5527 1502 5 Pete Rose .045 .379 .334 10934 2722 6 Johnny Temple .043 .371 .328 3629 978 7 Miller Huggins .043 .362 .319 2818 783 8 Ernie Lombardi .033 .359 .326 3980 1203 9 Jake Beckley .033 .375 .342 3465 879 10 Eric Davis .031 .367 .336 3272 985 OPS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AB G 1 Joe Morgan .215 .885 .670 4008 1154 2 Frank Robinson .151 .943 .792 5527 1502 3 Eric Davis .144 .877 .734 3272 985 4 Barry Larkin .140 .817 .677 7591 2069 5 Ernie Lombardi .129 .828 .699 3980 1203 6 Johnny Bench .127 .817 .690 7658 2158 7 George Foster .112 .870 .759 4454 1253 8 Jake Beckley .107 .818 .712 3465 879 9 Heine Groh .102 .772 .670 4439 1211 10 Edd Roush .087 .839 .752 5384 1399 RUNS CREATED/GAME DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AB G 1 Joe Morgan 4.22 8.18 3.96 4008 1154 2 Frank Robinson 2.45 7.88 5.42 5527 1502 3 Barry Larkin 2.35 6.28 3.93 7591 2069 4 Eric Davis 2.19 7.05 4.85 3272 985 5 Jake Beckley 1.71 7.13 5.42 3465 879 6 Johnny Bench 1.56 5.55 3.99 7658 2158 7 Heine Groh 1.55 5.55 4.00 4439 1211 8 Ernie Lombardi 1.50 5.77 4.28 3980 1203 9 Pete Rose 1.48 6.08 4.61 10934 2722 10 George Foster 1.35 6.39 5.03 4454 1253 SECONDARY AVERAGE DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AB G 1 Joe Morgan .287 .482 .195 4008 1154 2 Eric Davis .194 .459 .265 3272 985 3 Frank Robinson .121 .397 .276 5527 1502 4 Barry Larkin .105 .309 .204 7591 2069 5 Johnny Bench .104 .328 .224 7658 2158 6 Bob Bescher .085 .356 .271 2807 745 7 Reggie Sanders .076 .358 .282 2885 805 8 George Foster .076 .338 .262 4454 1253 9 Lonny Frey .067 .260 .193 3533 941 10 Wally Post .066 .318 .251 3013 896 SLG DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AB G 1 Joe Morgan .124 .470 .346 4008 1154 2 Eric Davis .112 .510 .398 3272 985 3 Johnny Bench .106 .476 .369 7658 2158 4 Frank Robinson .104 .554 .450 5527 1502 5 George Foster .098 .514 .416 4454 1253 6 Ernie Lombardi .096 .469 .373 3980 1203 7 Barry Larkin .086 .446 .360 7591 2069 8 Ted Kluszewski .077 .512 .436 4961 1339 9 Jake Beckley .074 .443 .369 3465 879 10 Tony Perez .066 .474 .408 6846 1948 TOTAL BASES DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE AB G 1 Johnny Bench 894 3644 2750 7658 2158 2 Barry Larkin 803 3382 2579 7591 2069 3 Frank Robinson 651 3063 2412 5527 1502 4 Pete Rose 619 4645 4026 10934 2722 5 Joe Morgan 558 1885 1327 4008 1154 6 Tony Perez 534 3246 2712 6846 1948 7 George Foster 481 2289 1808 4454 1253 8 Ted Kluszewski 480 2542 2062 4961 1339 9 Ernie Lombardi 456 1866 1410 3980 1203 10 Vada Pinson 409 2973 2564 6335 1565 CINCINNATI REDS CAREER MODERN (1900-) INNINGS PITCHED displayed only--not a sorting criteria WINNING PERCENTAGE displayed only--not a sorting criteria BASERUNNERS/9 IP DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE IP PCT 1 Red Lucas 1.88 11.07 12.95 1769 .524 2 Noodles Hahn 1.74 10.42 12.16 1678.1 .553 3 Gary Nolan 1.67 10.31 11.98 1657 .621 4 Tom Seaver 1.47 10.65 12.12 1085.2 .620 5 Jose Rijo 1.35 10.80 12.15 1478 .614 6 Dolf Luque 1.32 11.46 12.78 2669 .502 7 Ken Raffensberger 1.31 11.42 12.73 1490 .473 8 Eppa Rixey 1.30 11.72 13.01 2890 .547 9 Paul Derringer 1.29 11.25 12.54 2616 .518 10 Don Gullett 1.23 10.94 12.17 1188 .674 ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE IP PCT 1 Jose Rijo 0.99 2.83 3.81 1478 .614 2 Clay Carroll 0.82 2.73 3.55 856.2 .623 3 Dolf Luque 0.78 3.09 3.87 2669 .502 4 Bucky Walters 0.74 2.93 3.67 2355 .599 5 Eppa Rixey 0.73 3.33 4.05 2890 .547 6 Noodles Hahn 0.67 2.49 3.15 1678.1 .553 7 Ewell Blackwell 0.61 3.31 3.92 1282 .506 8 Don Gullett 0.57 3.03 3.60 1188 .674 9 Gary Nolan 0.53 3.01 3.55 1657 .621 10 Fred Toney 0.51 2.18 2.69 1000 .546 STRIKEOUTS/9 IP DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE IP PCT 1 Mario Soto 2.12 7.54 5.42 1730.1 .521 2 Jim Maloney 2.07 7.88 5.81 1819 .623 3 Johnny Vander Meer 2.01 5.55 3.55 2027 .500 4 Ewell Blackwell 1.90 5.75 3.85 1282 .506 5 Jakie May 1.80 4.65 2.85 1030 .466 6 Jose Rijo 1.62 7.62 6.00 1478 .614 7 Hod Eller 0.96 3.98 3.02 862 .604 8 Tom Seaver 0.92 6.06 5.14 1085.2 .620 9 Fred Norman 0.74 5.91 5.17 1315 .570 10 Noodles Hahn 0.67 4.05 3.38 1678.1 .553 WINS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE IP PCT 1 Jim Maloney 33 134 101 1819 .623 2 Bucky Walters 30 160 130 2355 .599 3 Don Gullett 25 91 66 1188 .674 4 Clay Carroll 23 71 48 856.2 .623 5 Gary Nolan 18 110 92 1657 .621 6 Eppa Rixey 18 179 161 2890 .547 7 Tom Browning 17 123 106 1911 .583 8 Jack Billingham 17 87 70 1270 .580 9 Paul Derringer 16 161 145 2616 .518 10 Pete Donohue 16 127 111 1996 .536 |
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07-24-2004, 03:30 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
Pete Rose.
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07-24-2004, 06:20 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
Pete Rose
then Bench and Robinson. And then Tony Perez would be in the top 5 IMO.
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07-24-2004, 07:02 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
In terms of peak value, Joe Morgan. From 1972 through 1976, especially 1975-76, Morgan was IMO the greatest Red ever. Johnny Bench and Frank Robinson would be 2nd and 3rd.
From 1972 through 1976 Morgan had Win Shares per season of 39, 40, 37, 44 and 37. Bench's best five year run was between 1970 and 1974: 34, 19, 37, 26 and 34. Robinson had a run with the Reds between 1961 and 1965 of 34, 41, 23, 33 and 26 Win Shares. Pete Rose had a run between 1968 and 1972 of 32, 37, 29, 28 and 32 Win Shares, then Rose ripped off another five years between 1973 and 1977 of 34, 27, 31, 30 and 23. Career value: Pete Rose, with 547 Win Shares (462 with the Reds). Morgan's career total was 512 (262 with the Reds) and Bench's was 356 (all with the Reds). Frank Robinson had 519 career Win Shares, 252 of which came as a Red.
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07-24-2004, 07:26 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
what is diff in the one scale and win share in the other?
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07-24-2004, 07:46 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
1. Pete Rose - Charlie Hustle
2. Johnny Bench 3. Joe Morgan 4. Frank robinson :GAC:
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07-24-2004, 07:58 AM
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Re: Best Cincinnati Red Player Of All-time?
If the question is best player while he was a Red, i think Bench is tops followed by Morgan, Rose and Robinson.
If the question is best player to ever play for the Reds even for a short period of time, I would say that is Robinson, followed by Griffey, then Bench. The Seattle years were so absolutely amazing for Jr that he barely jumps Bench in my mind in this one despite his recent injury struggles. |
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