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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
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07-26-2004, 11:49 AM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
I can't say that I have, but then it's difficult for me to find time to read, what with running the meat packing plant and hording my millions.
Does he have anything of interest to say?
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07-26-2004, 11:52 AM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
:MandJ: :MandJ: :MandJ:
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07-26-2004, 11:54 AM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
Adam Dunn....takes up 2 parking spaces.
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07-26-2004, 12:06 PM
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I thought you'd be bigger
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
Adam Dunn.....borrow FeLo's soap and don't return it.
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07-26-2004, 01:26 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
Not to take this thread off-topic or anything (
 ) but Pujols has some crazy stats. I knew it before, but haven't looked at them in a while.28 HRs ... and 28 Ks. 
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07-26-2004, 03:11 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
As much as i hate the Cards and Pujols..............Adam Dunn doesn't even compare to Pujols. Sure his HR and OBP is similiar, but thats about it. You people keep thinking he is going to turn into Albert Pujols or something spectacular...........my thinking is that he has had 4 years of live action to develop, and frankly i havn't seen much difference in him between his 1st year and his 4th year, what makes you all think he is going to turn into the player that we all hoped he would be?
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07-26-2004, 03:16 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
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07-26-2004, 03:27 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
Ive given my argument why i feel that he won't get MUCH better. He has had 4 years at the major league level to develop, and his status hasn't changed much from the first year to the fourth year. If you would've read about him 4 years ago it would probably read something like this "Exceptional talent, with alot of power, has a good eye at the plate, and walks alot, but his downside is that he strikes out alot, and does not hit for average. If he can correct his downside, he will be a perrinial all-star year in and year out"-----well, 4 years later, we are still waiting for him to be the player that we think he SHOULD be. That my friend is called NO development. What does he do NOW that he didn't do 4 years ago???? How has he developed????? What makes you think he is going to develop????? Please answer these questions, i am interested to see what kind of argument that i hear.
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07-26-2004, 03:30 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
unreal. by every reporting measure, Adam Dunn is in the top 10 in all of baseball for total offensive output. just how much better should he be?
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07-26-2004, 03:30 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
Since 1970 only 5 players 25 and younger have had a .379 ob% and a .499 slg% (which is where Dunn stands today)
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EXTRA BASE HITS EBH OBA SLG AB G 1 Ken Griffey Jr. 409 .379 .536 3440 917 2 Albert Pujols 259 .412 .613 1771 475 3 Manny Ramirez 247 .393 .546 1938 552 4 Will Clark 245 .380 .524 2100 582 5 Frank Thomas 235 .441 .561 1872 531 6 Adam Dunn 179 .379 .500 1496 438 HOMERUNS HR OBA SLG AB G 1 Ken Griffey Jr. 189 .379 .536 3440 917 2 Albert Pujols 114 .412 .613 1771 475 3 Manny Ramirez 109 .393 .546 1938 552 4 Frank Thomas 104 .441 .561 1872 531 5 Will Clark 98 .380 .524 2100 582 6 Adam Dunn 98 .379 .500 1496 438 OPS OPS OBA SLG AB G 1 Albert Pujols 1.025 .412 .613 1771 475 2 Frank Thomas 1.002 .441 .561 1872 531 3 Manny Ramirez .940 .393 .546 1938 552 4 Ken Griffey Jr. .915 .379 .536 3440 917 5 Will Clark .905 .380 .524 2100 582 6 Adam Dunn .884 .379 .500 1496 438 |
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07-26-2004, 03:33 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
Adam Dunn is too perfect for the GAB. He should retire a RED.
The sooner you get him over to first base, the better.
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07-26-2004, 03:53 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
I guess .379/.499 under 25 isn't impressive enough.
So I'll drop it to a even lower number .369 / .480 and keep it under 25, and to maybe it more interesting we'll make it from 1930 - 2003 From one great hittting era, through the war, hitting era, pitching, blend, now. These are Dunns Peers Code:
AGE <= 25 EXTRA BASE HITS EBH OBA SLG AB G 1 Alex Rodriguez 483 .378 .571 3758 952 2 Joe Medwick 433 .374 .564 3224 788 3 Hank Aaron 430 .372 .559 3524 886 4 Mickey Mantle 420 .427 .574 3418 952 5 Frank Robinson 413 .384 .561 3286 888 6 Ken Griffey Jr. 409 .379 .536 3440 917 7 Eddie Mathews 402 .388 .556 3206 880 8 Hal Trosky 400 .372 .559 3085 773 9 Joe DiMaggio 397 .402 .623 2827 686 10 Vladimir Guerrero 368 .378 .587 2755 731 11 Al Kaline 363 .372 .480 3919 1051 12 Jimmie Foxx 349 .434 .667 2235 595 13 Mel Ott 334 .411 .556 2746 745 14 Ted Williams 314 .481 .642 2104 586 15 Harlond Clift 304 .405 .496 2728 740 16 Arky Vaughan 302 .424 .491 3164 849 17 Stan Musial 301 .426 .551 2323 611 18 Willie Mays 297 .382 .584 2314 610 19 Dick Allen 287 .387 .558 2262 596 20 Scott Rolen 269 .375 .511 2196 593 21 Don Mattingly 264 .375 .539 2223 572 22 Albert Pujols 259 .412 .613 1771 475 23 Manny Ramirez 247 .393 .546 1938 552 T24 John Olerud 245 .397 .486 2213 660 T24 Will Clark 245 .380 .524 2100 582 26 Frank Thomas 235 .441 .561 1872 531 27 Charlie Keller 218 .421 .526 1949 541 28 Joe Cronin 199 .402 .495 1755 453 HOMERUNS HR OBA SLG AB G 1 Alex Rodriguez 241 .378 .571 3758 952 2 Eddie Mathews 222 .388 .556 3206 880 3 Mickey Mantle 207 .427 .574 3418 952 4 Frank Robinson 202 .384 .561 3286 888 5 Ken Griffey Jr. 189 .379 .536 3440 917 6 Hank Aaron 179 .372 .559 3524 886 7 Jimmie Foxx 173 .434 .667 2235 595 8 Vladimir Guerrero 170 .378 .587 2755 731 9 Joe DiMaggio 168 .402 .623 2827 686 10 Hal Trosky 155 .372 .559 3085 773 11 Willie Mays 152 .382 .584 2314 610 12 Mel Ott 150 .411 .556 2746 745 13 Al Kaline 140 .372 .480 3919 1051 14 Ted Williams 127 .481 .642 2104 586 15 Albert Pujols 114 .412 .613 1771 475 16 Dick Allen 112 .387 .558 2262 596 17 Joe Medwick 110 .374 .564 3224 788 18 Manny Ramirez 109 .393 .546 1938 552 T19 Harlond Clift 108 .405 .496 2728 740 T19 Scott Rolen 108 .375 .511 2196 593 21 Frank Thomas 104 .441 .561 1872 531 22 Will Clark 98 .380 .524 2100 582 23 Don Mattingly 93 .375 .539 2223 572 24 Charlie Keller 91 .421 .526 1949 541 25 John Olerud 83 .397 .486 2213 660 26 Arky Vaughan 58 .424 .491 3164 849 27 Stan Musial 52 .426 .551 2323 611 28 Joe Cronin 31 .402 .495 1755 453 OPS OPS OBA SLG AB G 1 Ted Williams 1.123 .481 .642 2104 586 2 Jimmie Foxx 1.101 .434 .667 2235 595 3 Albert Pujols 1.025 .412 .613 1771 475 4 Joe DiMaggio 1.025 .402 .623 2827 686 5 Frank Thomas 1.002 .441 .561 1872 531 6 Mickey Mantle 1.002 .427 .574 3418 952 7 Stan Musial .978 .426 .551 2323 611 8 Mel Ott .967 .411 .556 2746 745 9 Willie Mays .966 .382 .584 2314 610 10 Vladimir Guerrero .965 .378 .587 2755 731 11 Alex Rodriguez .949 .378 .571 3758 952 12 Charlie Keller .948 .421 .526 1949 541 13 Frank Robinson .946 .384 .561 3286 888 14 Dick Allen .945 .387 .558 2262 596 15 Eddie Mathews .943 .388 .556 3206 880 16 Manny Ramirez .940 .393 .546 1938 552 17 Joe Medwick .938 .374 .564 3224 788 18 Hank Aaron .931 .372 .559 3524 886 19 Hal Trosky .931 .372 .559 3085 773 20 Ken Griffey Jr. .915 .379 .536 3440 917 21 Arky Vaughan .915 .424 .491 3164 849 22 Don Mattingly .914 .375 .539 2223 572 23 Will Clark .905 .380 .524 2100 582 24 Harlond Clift .901 .405 .496 2728 740 25 Joe Cronin .896 .402 .495 1755 453 26 Scott Rolen .886 .375 .511 2196 593 27 John Olerud .883 .397 .486 2213 660 28 Al Kaline .851 .372 .480 3919 1051 |
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07-26-2004, 03:55 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
Guys, im not saying he isn't good. Ive said that in about all of my posts that he is good. The point you all are missing, is that he is NOT going to get much better, and while his value is real high, i say that we trade him for some QUALITY pitching, then plug WMP into his spot, and you don't have much of a dropoff at the plate, the ony difference is, that i see WMP developing much more than Adam Dunn will over the next few years. He has made more adjustments and strides in 1 year, than Adam Dunn has in 4. We add quality pitching, and basically have a wash in offensive stats. Im am not intentionally bashing Dunn, i like him. I just think that it would be better served to trade him for some good pitching while his Value is high. Thats the problem with many reds fans today, they want pitching, and know that we need pitching, but they don't want to give anything for it.
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07-26-2004, 04:04 PM
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Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high
What part of the line below tells you that Pena won't "regress" like Dunn?
Willy Mo at 22 186 ab's .286 .343 .551 .894 - 61 K's 14 BB 15 HR's 23 Runs Adam Dunn at 21 244 ab's .262 .371 .578 .949 - 74 K's 38 BB 19 HR's 54 Runs |
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