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Matt700wlw · 12-14-2004, 05:22 PM

REDS ADD RHP RAMON ORTIZ TO STARTING ROTATION

Acquired From Angels For Minor League RHP Dustin Moseley

CINCINNATI - Cincinnati Reds general manager Dan O’Brien today announced the acquisition of starting RHP Ramon Ortiz from the Angels in exchange for minor league RHP Dustin Moseley.

Ortiz, 31, last season went 5-7 with a 4.43 ERA in 34 games, including 14 starts and 20 relief appearances. Prior to 2004, Ortiz had made all 123 of his Major League appearances as a starting pitcher.

Each season from 2001-2003, Ortiz posted at least 13 victories while making 32 starts and accumulating at least 180.0 innings pitched. He produced his best year during the Angels’ 2002 World Series championship season, when he went 15-9 with a 3.77 ERA and 4 complete games. He followed that campaign by winning a career-high 16 games in 2003.

Ortiz has a career record of 59-49 in 157 Major League appearances, including 137 starts. He led the Angels in victories in 2000 (8), 2001 (13) and 2003 (16).

Moseley, 22, last season combined to go 5-6 with a 3.86 ERA in 20 starts between Class AA Chattanooga and Class AAA Louisville. He was selected by the Reds in the supplemental first round (34th overall) of the 2000 First-Year Player Draft.

wheels · 12-14-2004, 05:24 PM

Okay guys...There it is.

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Puffy · 12-14-2004, 05:24 PM

Crap - I wish we got him before he aged 4 years in one night :mhcky21:

I like it - it moves Hancock out of the rotation (please, please) and gives the Reds a guy who can strike people out (although his k per 9 went has gone down every year til last year when it went up, but he pitched poorly last year, so the increased k's might not be a good thing). Plus he throws between 180 and 200 innings every year.

I like it.

wheels · 12-14-2004, 05:25 PM

What are his numbers?

Matt700wlw · 12-14-2004, 05:25 PM

Not bad, Dan O'Brien (not huge, not awesome, but not terrible)....got a major league experience pitcher, who has had success (10 games over .500 career) for Mosely...let's hope Ortiz last year was just an "off" year

...it's progress

Don Gullett is licking his chops :mhcky21:

Puffy · 12-14-2004, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheels

What are his numbers?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...e?statsId=6317

Red Leader · 12-14-2004, 05:28 PM

I like the idea of getting a major league pitcher for a minor leaguer with flaws, but Ortiz is going to eat a lot of that "extra" money we might have had for bullpen arms and signing Dunn long term. Because of those things, I don't like the trade. Would have preferred the cheaper, Lackey.

puca · 12-14-2004, 05:28 PM

OTOH we gave up a 22 year old who has had some success in the high minors at a young age for a guy that very well might have been non-tendered next week.

I don't hate it, but I sure don't love it.

Reds4Life · 12-14-2004, 05:29 PM

I'm with RL, Ortiz is fine for rotation filler, but not at his price tag.

princeton · 12-14-2004, 05:29 PM

Anaheim wants to dump salary so they naturally think of... Cincinnati?

gm · 12-14-2004, 05:29 PM

Who pays Ortiz' 5.5 mil option for 2005?

OldXOhio · 12-14-2004, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gm

Who pays Ortiz' 5.5 mil option for 2005?

Whoever else owns him on Aug 1st

Mitri · 12-14-2004, 05:31 PM

Isn't this the guy who had a hissy fit after being removed from the Angels' rotation last year?
Pretty decent stuff if I remember correctly, just has trouble keeping his head on straight. A fresh start with a new team/league could be what this guy needs.

wheels · 12-14-2004, 05:31 PM

I wonder if they've agreed to pay some of that.

Red Leader · 12-14-2004, 05:31 PM

There had better be cash in this deal, and I would imagine there would have to be. If not, this is just plain stupid. It would be DanO doing the opposite of what he has professed all along..

12-14-2004, 05:22 PM	#1
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,149	Reds trade Dustin Moseley for Ramon Ortiz REDS ADD RHP RAMON ORTIZ TO STARTING ROTATION Acquired From Angels For Minor League RHP Dustin Moseley CINCINNATI - Cincinnati Reds general manager Dan O’Brien today announced the acquisition of starting RHP Ramon Ortiz from the Angels in exchange for minor league RHP Dustin Moseley. Ortiz, 31, last season went 5-7 with a 4.43 ERA in 34 games, including 14 starts and 20 relief appearances. Prior to 2004, Ortiz had made all 123 of his Major League appearances as a starting pitcher. Each season from 2001-2003, Ortiz posted at least 13 victories while making 32 starts and accumulating at least 180.0 innings pitched. He produced his best year during the Angels’ 2002 World Series championship season, when he went 15-9 with a 3.77 ERA and 4 complete games. He followed that campaign by winning a career-high 16 games in 2003. Ortiz has a career record of 59-49 in 157 Major League appearances, including 137 starts. He led the Angels in victories in 2000 (8), 2001 (13) and 2003 (16). Moseley, 22, last season combined to go 5-6 with a 3.86 ERA in 20 starts between Class AA Chattanooga and Class AAA Louisville. He was selected by the Reds in the supplemental first round (34th overall) of the 2000 First-Year Player Draft. __________________ An excited shade of Red

12-14-2004, 05:24 PM	#2
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,581	Re: Reds get Ortiz Okay guys...There it is. I'm not sure how I feel about this. __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

12-14-2004, 05:24 PM	#3
Puffy Puffy 3:16 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Panama City Beach Posts: 13,703	Re: Reds get Ortiz Crap - I wish we got him before he aged 4 years in one night :mhcky21: I like it - it moves Hancock out of the rotation (please, please) and gives the Reds a guy who can strike people out (although his k per 9 went has gone down every year til last year when it went up, but he pitched poorly last year, so the increased k's might not be a good thing). Plus he throws between 180 and 200 innings every year. I like it. __________________ "I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of bubble gum." - - Rowdy Roddy Piper "It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong. I am not a big man" - - Fletch

12-14-2004, 05:25 PM	#4
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,581	Re: Reds get Ortiz What are his numbers? __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

12-14-2004, 05:25 PM	#5
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,149	Re: Reds get Ortiz Not bad, Dan O'Brien (not huge, not awesome, but not terrible)....got a major league experience pitcher, who has had success (10 games over .500 career) for Mosely...let's hope Ortiz last year was just an "off" year ...it's progress Don Gullett is licking his chops :mhcky21: __________________ An excited shade of Red

12-14-2004, 05:28 PM	#7
Red Leader Puffy's Daddy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Centerville, OH Posts: 20,422	Re: Reds get Ortiz I like the idea of getting a major league pitcher for a minor leaguer with flaws, but Ortiz is going to eat a lot of that "extra" money we might have had for bullpen arms and signing Dunn long term. Because of those things, I don't like the trade. Would have preferred the cheaper, Lackey. __________________ 'When I'm not longer rapping, I want to open up an ice cream parlor and call myself Scoop Dogg.' -Snoop on his retirement Your Mom is happy.

12-14-2004, 05:28 PM	#8
puca Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Pook's Hill Posts: 1,475	Re: Reds get Ortiz OTOH we gave up a 22 year old who has had some success in the high minors at a young age for a guy that very well might have been non-tendered next week. I don't hate it, but I sure don't love it.

12-14-2004, 05:29 PM	#9
Reds4Life Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 3,918	Re: Reds get Ortiz I'm with RL, Ortiz is fine for rotation filler, but not at his price tag. __________________ Pessimists are well informed optimists

12-14-2004, 05:29 PM	#10
princeton Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: princeton, nj Posts: 9,482	Re: Reds get Ortiz Anaheim wants to dump salary so they naturally think of... Cincinnati?

12-14-2004, 05:29 PM	#11
gm All dyslexics must untie! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: SW Portland, OR Posts: 8,604	Re: Reds get Ortiz Who pays Ortiz' 5.5 mil option for 2005? __________________ Never overlook the obvious

12-14-2004, 05:31 PM	#13
Mitri Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: New York Posts: 348	Re: Reds get Ortiz Isn't this the guy who had a hissy fit after being removed from the Angels' rotation last year? Pretty decent stuff if I remember correctly, just has trouble keeping his head on straight. A fresh start with a new team/league could be what this guy needs.

12-14-2004, 05:31 PM	#14
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,581	Re: Reds get Ortiz I wonder if they've agreed to pay some of that. __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

12-14-2004, 05:31 PM	#15
Red Leader Puffy's Daddy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Centerville, OH Posts: 20,422	Re: Reds get Ortiz There had better be cash in this deal, and I would imagine there would have to be. If not, this is just plain stupid. It would be DanO doing the opposite of what he has professed all along.. __________________ 'When I'm not longer rapping, I want to open up an ice cream parlor and call myself Scoop Dogg.' -Snoop on his retirement Your Mom is happy.

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