Randa signed

[Redsfaithful]

I agree that the only way Vazquez should come back is if JR is involved, because any other way the payroll would just be strangled for the next 2-3 years.

You're assuming the Reds would be paying for that contract for the life of it.

Javier's only what? 28? He's going to have trade value while a Red if the Reds would ever want out.

I don't think the Reds should be completely afraid of the big contract just because of what happened with Junior. The main problem with Junior's contract, in my opinion, wasn't the money. It was the length.

[traderumor]

Originally Posted by redsfan2

What a day from DanO

Well, so far Jiminez is the only "official" word. Randa I'm 99.99 sure will happen because Scoop (aka BrooklynRedz) seems to have a reliable source that allowed him to give us a heads up about Ortiz. The other stuff is Plan C, and is in some unknown stage known as various.

[deltachi8]

The Casey idea is interesting....I thought I had read that one of the holdups was LA needing an impact bat and preferably a 1b. Hmmm....now if i can remember where i read that?

Something is a brewing i tells ya

[SteelSD]

I...see...old...people...

[zombie-a-go-go]

Originally Posted by Redsfaithful

Javier's only what? 28? He's going to have trade value while a Red if the Reds would ever want out.

Unless he proves to be injury prone. Or stinks up the joint and the Reds have to eat part of his contract to get him out of here. In both cases, the return on such a trade would stink anyway.

I wouldn't count those chickens.

[pedro]

Originally Posted by markymark69

Mike Schmidt struck out a lot too and he ended up in the HOF.

you'll fit right in around here. I believe Zombie was being facecious.

[Red Leader]

Originally Posted by SteelSD

I...see...old...people...

:MandJ:

[Cedric]

Wily Mo Pena is going to be the starting CF for the Reds this year, there is absolutely no way he doesn't start. Something is gonna happen, it has to.

[zombie-a-go-go]

Originally Posted by SteelSD

I...see...old...people...

:rotflmao:

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by Cedric

Wily Mo Pena is going to be the starting CF for the Reds this year, there is absolutely no way he doesn't start. Something is gonna happen, it has to.

If that's the case, then it's clear to me that DanO doesn't prioritize the right things vis. offensive ability. (unless he's platooned with Mohr).

[Cedric]

Yea, who likes a 22 year old that ops about .850 and projected to about 50 home runs and 120 rbi. Wily Mo is gonna rake enough that he's gonna get on base. There are certain players with enough talent that they don't need to walk to be productive ball players, it's a VERY select group. But Wily Mo has the tools and the talent to be in that group.

[traderumor]

Well go for 100% sure on Randa. mlbradio.com is reporting this on fantasy411 as if its fact. Good call again BrooklynRedz. Keep those heads up coming.

Putting us on the cutting edge around here is, well...just cool :RedinDC:

[letsgojunior]

Originally Posted by Redsfaithful

You're assuming the Reds would be paying for that contract for the life of it.

Javier's only what? 28? He's going to have trade value while a Red if the Reds would ever want out.

I don't think the Reds should be completely afraid of the big contract just because of what happened with Junior. The main problem with Junior's contract, in my opinion, wasn't the money. It was the length.

IMO he's not going to have trade value if he puts up another 2004 like year, when he's slotted to make $11.5 and $12.5 M. A similar pitcher in terms of stats, age, and fall-off is Matt Morris, who went from making $10M+ in 2004 to just signing a contract for $2.5. In today's depressed market, $11-12.5 M says that you are a legitimate #1 big game pitcher (especially on a small market team).

And if you're correct regarding his trade value, I doubt that LA is going to pay much (if anything) of his salary, given that they could also flip him to a bigger market team without being responsible for any financial considerations.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by Cedric

Yea, who likes a 22 year old that ops about .850 and projected to about 50 home runs and 120 rbi. Wily Mo is gonna rake enough that he's gonna get on base. There are certain players with enough talent that they don't need to walk to be productive ball players, it's a VERY select group. But Wily Mo has the tools and the talent to be in that group.

Okay, I really will bet another kid if Pena only OPSs .850, but still hits 50 bombs!!!

[Puffy]

Originally Posted by Cedric

Yea, who likes a 22 year old that ops about .850 and projected to about 50 home runs and 120 rbi. Wily Mo is gonna rake enough that he's gonna get on base. There are certain players with enough talent that they don't need to walk to be productive ball players, it's a VERY select group. But Wily Mo has the tools and the talent to be in that group.

Also, what people seem to keep overlooking, is that WMP was night and day with regards to selectivity last year as opposed to just two years ago. The kid has the ability and the desire to learn the different facets of the game like few others.

If you give WMP 600 PA's this year his walks will increase by 33% over last year's numbers (which would give him between 55 and 60 BB's).