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Royals Fan · 05-26-2005, 07:13 AM

Here's from The Mlb rumor page this am

Dallas paper is saying the Rangers are in second round of talks with the Reds in regards to Danny Graves.

Paper is sayng the Ranger's might give the Reds's John Hudgins - a 22 years old SP in Triple A. Reds would eat most of the Danny's contract.Cubs and Reds Sox are intersted in Graves. Here's the MLB Rumor Page

Ranger's Number 6 Prospect per Baseball America

Last Nights stats--- John Hudgins TEX 7 3 1 0 1 6, W, CG

www.prosportsdaily.com

Sabo17 · 05-26-2005, 07:34 AM

I know NOTHING of this guy. We'll take it. Whoever it is, we'll take it!!
HaHa

EKURed · 05-26-2005, 08:22 AM

If that is true, what are the Reds waiting on?

Triple A Stats

KronoRed · 05-26-2005, 08:32 AM

He's a pitcher and he's not hurt..make the trade

Krusty · 05-26-2005, 08:56 AM

Rangers interested in Graves

Texas discussing trade for banished Cincinnati closer

11:49 PM CDT on Wednesday, May 25, 2005

By EVAN GRANT and TODD WILLS / The Dallas Morning News

ARLINGTON – The Rangers keep looking to add to their bullpen, even if it means taking another team's castoff.

The Rangers had a second round of discussions with the Cincinnati Reds on Wednesday about trading for reliever Danny Graves. The closer was designated for assignment Monday after struggling this season and making an obscene gesture to a fan over the weekend.

Rangers assistant general manager Jon Daniels said the club had "kicked the tires" Wednesday but that several other clubs were also interested in Graves. Among them: Boston and the Chicago Cubs.

Even though the Reds are likely to have to eat most of the remaining $4 million of Graves' salary, they'd like to get something in return rather than simply placing him on waivers or releasing him.

Daniels indicated the Rangers would be unwilling to take on the bulk of the salary but would explore trade talks. Last week the Rangers added Steve Karsay after the New York Yankees released him.

The Reds would probably have to settle for a player not on the 40-man roster for Graves. A pitcher such as John Hudgins could be attractive to them. The Rangers, however, are unsure how much they'd be willing to part with for Graves, who has struggled over the last two seasons.

Nix mum on ejection: The latest Ranger to get fired up is center field Laynce Nix, who was ejected in the fifth inning for arguing balls and strikes. Nix was called out twice on strikes, and after the second one in the fifth, he offered a few words and held up two fingers for home plate umpire Paul Emmel. Nix didn't have anything further to say after the game.

"It happens," Nix said. "I've got nothing."

Nix is the first player to be ejected this season. Manager Buck Showalter and third base coach Steve Smith were ejected earlier this season.

Blalock ties Bell's errorless streak: Hank Blalock tied Buddy Bell's 53-game errorless streak at third base, fielding two chances flawlessly, one in the eighth inning and the final one to end the game. Bell is regarded as the best defensive third baseman in Rangers history.

Blalock has 145 total chances since a throwing error in the second inning Sept. 25 vs. Seattle. Bell's streak lasted from June 13 until Aug. 17, 1979.

Briefly: RHP R.A. Dickey has been optioned to Triple-A Oklahoma, where he is expected to join the RedHawks' rotation. Dickey, who has been on the disabled list since April 13 with right triceps inflammation, left Arizona on Wednesday and was expected to meet the team in Memphis on Friday. ... The Rangers used the same batting order for the fourth day in a row Wednesday. It's the first time since May 25-29, 2003, they've used the same lineup four days in a row. They used 33 different lineups in their first 41 games.

E-mail egrant@dallasnews.com or twills@dallasnews.com

LexingtonRedsFan · 05-26-2005, 08:57 AM

Sounds like a plan to me....the only holdup that I can even imagine is if the reds are trying to play the other interested teams to see if they can outdo the rangers offer...

Bobcat J · 05-26-2005, 09:46 AM

The article doesn't say that the Rangers are willing to give up Hudgins for Graves. The full article is in another thread. It simply says Hudgins is someone the reds would like, but the Rangers aren't sure who they are willing to part with. It seems that the Reds may have asked for Hudgins, but it doesn't mean they are going to get him.

johngalt · 05-26-2005, 09:57 AM

It's good to hear there's some interest from a few teams at least. Definitely increases the chances of us getting SOMETHING for Graves, even if we have to eat the bulk of the money still.

Joseph · 05-26-2005, 10:07 AM

A 22 YO AAA pitcher who's not injured? Yeah, I'm all over that if I'm Dan O. No waiting, no trying to play off other teams, just calling the Commisioners office and making it happen.

Cedric · 05-26-2005, 10:12 AM

Absolutely anything is a positive, we are gonna have to pay that salary no matter what. Graves is the kind of guy that is going to get attention and some gm is gonna try and make a quick bullpen fix with him. I thought the Rangers were a good mix all year, this proves that. Let's hope they pull the trigger with Almanzar and that other pitcher down.

smith288 · 05-26-2005, 10:16 AM

Too good to be true. Sounds like an early round of bargaining...start high.

I would be really suprised if this guy ends up in a Bats uni.

deltachi8 · 05-26-2005, 11:08 AM

Looksl like Danny will be traded...howevere, just a thought...Danny said he wants to get a MRI before pitching somewhere else to make sure he is healthy. What happens if the MRI picks something up? I know trades woul dbe off, but would happens to his status with the Reds? Anyone know?

schroomytunes · 05-26-2005, 11:26 AM

Take any young arms we can get for him!

Buckeye33 · 05-26-2005, 11:30 AM

If the Rangers were willing to give up any of these guys, I'd be more than happy with them for Graves:

Gerald Laird - 25 year old catcher

.302/.382/.524 at AAA 7 HR in 33 G

Estaban German - 26 year old IF

.353/.421/.497 at AAA 12 SBs in 41 games

John Hudgins - 23 year old righty

2-2 3.00 ERA at AAA 39 IP 38 H 31/13 K/W

German would clog up 2B even more, but would be a better option off the bench than Bergolla right now.

Laird would be an upgrade over Valentin, and probably even LaRue (at least offensively)

Hudgins gives you a younger arm that could develop into a low end rotation pitcher, or bullpen arm.

registerthis · 05-26-2005, 11:48 AM

It's really interesting to read about all of these teams who are suddenly interested in Graves, despite hearing time and again that no one woul dwant him and that's why he wasn't traded.

It looks, instead, that if the Reds were shopping Graves, their asking price was too high.. If you have 3-4 teams in a bidding war over a player that has been DFA'd, surely more coul dhave been had if he had been traded during the offseason?

05-26-2005, 07:13 AM	#1
Royals Fan Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 234	Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper Here's from The Mlb rumor page this am Dallas paper is saying the Rangers are in second round of talks with the Reds in regards to Danny Graves. Paper is sayng the Ranger's might give the Reds's John Hudgins - a 22 years old SP in Triple A. Reds would eat most of the Danny's contract.Cubs and Reds Sox are intersted in Graves. Here's the MLB Rumor Page Ranger's Number 6 Prospect per Baseball America Last Nights stats--- John Hudgins TEX 7 3 1 0 1 6, W, CG www.prosportsdaily.com Last edited by Royals Fan; 05-26-2005 at 07:34 AM. Reason: more info

05-26-2005, 07:34 AM	#2
Sabo17 Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 211	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper I know NOTHING of this guy. We'll take it. Whoever it is, we'll take it!! HaHa __________________ Here's to alcohol, the cause of—and solution to—all life's problems.. ~Homer J Simpson~

05-26-2005, 08:22 AM	#3
EKURed Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 534	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper If that is true, what are the Reds waiting on? Triple A Stats

05-26-2005, 08:32 AM	#4
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,343	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper He's a pitcher and he's not hurt..make the trade __________________ Go Gators!

05-26-2005, 08:56 AM	#5
Krusty Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Williamsport, PA Posts: 12,311	Rangers Looking To Acquire Graves Rangers interested in Graves Texas discussing trade for banished Cincinnati closer 11:49 PM CDT on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 By EVAN GRANT and TODD WILLS / The Dallas Morning News ARLINGTON – The Rangers keep looking to add to their bullpen, even if it means taking another team's castoff. The Rangers had a second round of discussions with the Cincinnati Reds on Wednesday about trading for reliever Danny Graves. The closer was designated for assignment Monday after struggling this season and making an obscene gesture to a fan over the weekend. Rangers assistant general manager Jon Daniels said the club had "kicked the tires" Wednesday but that several other clubs were also interested in Graves. Among them: Boston and the Chicago Cubs. Even though the Reds are likely to have to eat most of the remaining $4 million of Graves' salary, they'd like to get something in return rather than simply placing him on waivers or releasing him. Daniels indicated the Rangers would be unwilling to take on the bulk of the salary but would explore trade talks. Last week the Rangers added Steve Karsay after the New York Yankees released him. The Reds would probably have to settle for a player not on the 40-man roster for Graves. A pitcher such as John Hudgins could be attractive to them. The Rangers, however, are unsure how much they'd be willing to part with for Graves, who has struggled over the last two seasons. Nix mum on ejection: The latest Ranger to get fired up is center field Laynce Nix, who was ejected in the fifth inning for arguing balls and strikes. Nix was called out twice on strikes, and after the second one in the fifth, he offered a few words and held up two fingers for home plate umpire Paul Emmel. Nix didn't have anything further to say after the game. "It happens," Nix said. "I've got nothing." Nix is the first player to be ejected this season. Manager Buck Showalter and third base coach Steve Smith were ejected earlier this season. Blalock ties Bell's errorless streak: Hank Blalock tied Buddy Bell's 53-game errorless streak at third base, fielding two chances flawlessly, one in the eighth inning and the final one to end the game. Bell is regarded as the best defensive third baseman in Rangers history. Blalock has 145 total chances since a throwing error in the second inning Sept. 25 vs. Seattle. Bell's streak lasted from June 13 until Aug. 17, 1979. Briefly: RHP R.A. Dickey has been optioned to Triple-A Oklahoma, where he is expected to join the RedHawks' rotation. Dickey, who has been on the disabled list since April 13 with right triceps inflammation, left Arizona on Wednesday and was expected to meet the team in Memphis on Friday. ... The Rangers used the same batting order for the fourth day in a row Wednesday. It's the first time since May 25-29, 2003, they've used the same lineup four days in a row. They used 33 different lineups in their first 41 games. E-mail egrant@dallasnews.com or twills@dallasnews.com __________________ If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.

05-26-2005, 08:57 AM	#6
LexingtonRedsFan Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 509	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper Sounds like a plan to me....the only holdup that I can even imagine is if the reds are trying to play the other interested teams to see if they can outdo the rangers offer...

05-26-2005, 09:46 AM	#7
Bobcat J Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Downtown Posts: 171	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper The article doesn't say that the Rangers are willing to give up Hudgins for Graves. The full article is in another thread. It simply says Hudgins is someone the reds would like, but the Rangers aren't sure who they are willing to part with. It seems that the Reds may have asked for Hudgins, but it doesn't mean they are going to get him.

05-26-2005, 09:57 AM	#8
johngalt Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 979	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper It's good to hear there's some interest from a few teams at least. Definitely increases the chances of us getting SOMETHING for Graves, even if we have to eat the bulk of the money still.

05-26-2005, 10:07 AM	#9
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,127	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper A 22 YO AAA pitcher who's not injured? Yeah, I'm all over that if I'm Dan O. No waiting, no trying to play off other teams, just calling the Commisioners office and making it happen. __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

05-26-2005, 10:12 AM	#10
Cedric Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Monroe Posts: 6,219	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper Absolutely anything is a positive, we are gonna have to pay that salary no matter what. Graves is the kind of guy that is going to get attention and some gm is gonna try and make a quick bullpen fix with him. I thought the Rangers were a good mix all year, this proves that. Let's hope they pull the trigger with Almanzar and that other pitcher down. __________________ This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

05-26-2005, 10:16 AM	#11
smith288 Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Albany, OH Posts: 7,200	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper Too good to be true. Sounds like an early round of bargaining...start high. I would be really suprised if this guy ends up in a Bats uni. __________________ Did you like that?

05-26-2005, 11:08 AM	#12
deltachi8 smells of rich mahogany Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,001	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper Looksl like Danny will be traded...howevere, just a thought...Danny said he wants to get a MRI before pitching somewhere else to make sure he is healthy. What happens if the MRI picks something up? I know trades woul dbe off, but would happens to his status with the Reds? Anyone know? __________________ Nothing to see here. Please disperse.

05-26-2005, 11:26 AM	#13
schroomytunes Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wilmington n.c. Posts: 928	Re: Rangers Looking To Acquire Graves Take any young arms we can get for him!

05-26-2005, 11:30 AM	#14
Buckeye33 Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Columbus OH Posts: 2,410	Re: Rangers Looking To Acquire Graves If the Rangers were willing to give up any of these guys, I'd be more than happy with them for Graves: Gerald Laird - 25 year old catcher .302/.382/.524 at AAA 7 HR in 33 G Estaban German - 26 year old IF .353/.421/.497 at AAA 12 SBs in 41 games John Hudgins - 23 year old righty 2-2 3.00 ERA at AAA 39 IP 38 H 31/13 K/W German would clog up 2B even more, but would be a better option off the bench than Bergolla right now. Laird would be an upgrade over Valentin, and probably even LaRue (at least offensively) Hudgins gives you a younger arm that could develop into a low end rotation pitcher, or bullpen arm. __________________ Matta = Really good

05-26-2005, 11:48 AM	#15
registerthis Harry Chiti Fan Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5,872	Re: Rangers and Reds Trade Ideal from Dallas paper It's really interesting to read about all of these teams who are suddenly interested in Graves, despite hearing time and again that no one woul dwant him and that's why he wasn't traded. It looks, instead, that if the Reds were shopping Graves, their asking price was too high.. If you have 3-4 teams in a bidding war over a player that has been DFA'd, surely more coul dhave been had if he had been traded during the offseason?

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