Don't Trade Randa !

[smith288]

Randa, 35 and a one year contract
EE, 22 and ready for the majors

Your feeling you had about this thread was going to go wasnt unfounded. Its a very bad idea to latch onto Randa over EE especially with how this season has gone.

EE might not be Arod but lets not throw away the unknown for Randa. No offense to Randa who is a fine ballplayer.

[ochre]

Originally Posted by RFS62

... I will grow to if we don't move him for something of value.

speaking for puffy a bit here, because I feel/felt similarly about the Randa signing as he did (not quite as fervently though). What you said right there is the exact reason TO hate the Randa signing. The fear that the nattering nabobs of inaction would begin to view him not as a bridge to EE, but as the future at third.

[BadFundamentals]

REDREAD, we're not too far apart. If you could get something other than Tim Hummels, Reggie Taylors and Jason Romanos for Randa (and they were pitching ! ! ) , ok then you can certainly look at doing it. But I fear the same as you noted that the Reds would get lowballed and have his age working against him in trade value etc.......

No Randa is not the "future", but if he WANTS to NOT move to another team again, he sure seems to hit well in GABP and brings loads of intangibles/consistency to a team that is screaming for those things. No reason he can't be productive for a few more years..... he has the type of game that isn't heavily reliant on athleticism, optimal "bat speed" or "leg speed" etc.... he has a SMART, solid game.

[flyer85]

Reds starting infield in 2006

3B - Randa
SS - Machado
2B - Aurilia
1B - Casey

[Roy Tucker]

Originally Posted by ochre

... the nattering nabobs of inaction ...

Hey! That's my line!

However, I prefer inert incompetents of inaction.

[ochre]

Originally Posted by Roy Tucker

Hey! That's my line!

However, I prefer inert incompetents of inaction.

sorry, I should have credited you .

Figured my modifications fit the "artistic license" criteria

[RFS62]

Originally Posted by ochre

speaking for puffy a bit here, because I feel/felt similarly about the Randa signing as he did (not quite as fervently though). What you said right there is the exact reason TO hate the Randa signing. The fear that the nattering nabobs of inaction would begin to view him not as a bridge to EE, but as the future at third.

Ooooo, a nattering nabob reference. Me likey.

I guess I never saw him as anything other than a bridge to EE. On the other hand, I never in my wildest dreams thought Aurilia would be anything but a utility player, much less taking the shortstop position from FeLo.

So, if you're right, I will have once again underestimated the nabobitude of our esteemed front office and I will gladly grab my pitchfork and torch and head to Fountain Square to join you and Puffy.

[traderumor]

and brings loads of intangibles/consistency to a team that is screaming for those things.

He's with the team now, and his intangibles/consistency are not adding up to wins. How would that be any different if we keep him around?

[wheels]

I'll betcha a contending team would give up way too much at the deadline for Joe Randa.

The Reds are stupid, but hopefully not stupid enough to hold onto Randa.

I had these same hopes last season, though.

[wheels]

Originally Posted by traderumor

He's with the team now, and his intangibles/consistency are not adding up to wins. How would that be any different if we keep him around?

Yup.

[TRF]

Yeah he doesn't project for power at all. 12 HR's this year, his first in AAA. 249 AB's a .295 BA, .369 OBP, and a .510 SLG

quite frankly, the kid can rake. And he is only 22. Power is usually the last tool to develop, but he seems to have the OB thing down pretty well. Not a Freel or Dunn OB, but above average. He has 16 doubles, and 6 SB's, so he can run a bit too. I'd project his near future to be a 25-30 HR guy, with that expanding to be a 30-35 HR guy after a couple of years. Kinda McGriff like, except at the other end of the field.

Randa is 35 years old. He is not a guy you build around, and EE is playing at a higher level at a younger age than Randa ever did.

Randa has had a great year. Now flip him before it is too late.

[rdiersin]

Originally Posted by BadFundamentals

I hear you ....with him it is all about what he "wants" to do as well. If he doesn't WANT to stay in Cincy then it's a no brainer, trade him. But if you land on a guy like Randa with the solid, steady game and intangibles he has and he WANTS to stay in Cincy there is no reason to dump him just because he's a one year deal veteran.

Has anyone seen alot of Encarnacion live? He is certainly NOT a speed guy and NOT going to be a big HR guy. He looks to project to maybe a .280+ guy with maybe 30+ 2Bs but again his fielding is still under question. Well Reds have that type offensive player already with better defense and alot of intangibles.

But Randa's more expensive and older. He is going to decline in the next couple years. We will be lucky enough if he keeps up what he is doing now the rest of the season. I'm sorry but I have my doubts there. As far as EE goes, maybe we should give some comparable numbers.

Joe Randa

Age	Lvl	AB	2B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
21	A	275	20	11	59	46	29	0.338	0.435	0.545	0.980
22	A	189	7	1	12	12	21	0.275	0.323	0.328	0.651
22	A	266	13	5	43	34	37	0.301	0.383	0.406	0.789
23	AA	505	31	11	72	39	64	0.295	0.350	0.442	0.792
24	AAA	455	27	10	51	30	49	0.275	0.324	0.409	0.733
25	AAA	233	10	8	33	22	33	0.275	0.342	0.438	0.780

Aaron Boone

Age	Lvl	AB	2B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
21	Rk	256	15	7	55	36	35	0.273	0.367	0.453	0.820
22	A	395	19	14	50	43	77	0.261	0.338	0.420	0.758
22	AA	66	3	0	3	5	12	0.227	0.287	0.273	0.560
23	AA	548	44	17	95	38	77	0.288	0.339	0.487	0.826
24	AAA	476	30	22	75	40	81	0.290	0.349	0.508	0.857

EE

Age	Lvl	AB	2B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
18	Rk	211	8	5	26	15	29	0.261	0.315	0.389	0.704
18	A	170	9	4	25	12	34	0.306	0.356	0.453	0.809
18	A	37	2	1	6	1	5	0.162	0.192	0.297	0.489
19	A	517	32	17	73	40	108	0.282	0.339	0.458	0.797
20	A	215	15	6	29	24	32	0.321	0.387	0.484	0.871
20	AA	254	13	5	36	22	44	0.272	0.331	0.390	0.721
21	AA	469	35	13	76	53	79	0.281	0.352	0.443	0.795
22	AAA	241	16	12	46	28	47	0.295	0.369	0.510	0.879

Notice he is doing this all at younger ages. Also looking at this year, some of those doubles are already translating into more HRs. That's why it is very important to look at the number of 2bs a prospect has, because they tend to translate to increased power in the majors. The only difference is that he strikeouts more, and we all know your feelings about that, so lets not get into it here.

[flyer85]

Originally Posted by TRF

Yeah he doesn't project for power at all. 12 HR's this year, his first in AAA. 249 AB's a .295 BA, .369 OBP, and a .510 SLG

quite frankly, the kid can rake. And he is only 22. Power is usually the last tool to develop, but he seems to have the OB thing down pretty well. Not a Freel or Dunn OB, but above average. He has 16 doubles, and 6 SB's, so he can run a bit too. I'd project his near future to be a 25-30 HR guy, with that expanding to be a 30-35 HR guy after a couple of years. Kinda McGriff like, except at the other end of the field.

Randa is 35 years old. He is not a guy you build around, and EE is playing at a higher level at a younger age than Randa ever did.

Randa has had a great year. Now flip him before it is too late.

There is little question about the offensive ability of EE. Now if someone wanted to question if he if up to the challenge defensively at this point, they could most likely make a good argument.

[savafan]

Originally Posted by smith288

EE, 22 and ready for the majors

He may very well be, but then again, he may not. The thing is, we won't know unless the Reds bring him up and give him some at bats against ML pitchers. The practice of not bringing guys up so as not to start their arb. clock and then handing them a starting job in the majors with no experience hasn't worked here in Cincinnati.

[flyer85]

Originally Posted by savafan

He may very well be, but then again, he may not.

Of course he is, he has 3 SFs already this year.