Marty: Forget the walks

[Raisor]

Originally Posted by Puffy

gO rEDz!

another 50-cents for the retirement fund...

[traderumor]

Originally Posted by Raisor

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(and that's the whole point tr...)

I like playing your straight man

Here's the breakdown according to mlb.com
runners on OBP/AVG
1st and 3rd .588/.333
2nd .586/.200
RISP .457/.222
1st .438/.281
3rd .429/.200
2nd and 3rd .417/.222
Loaded .364/.125
Bases Empty .336/.251
1st and 2nd .310/.231

C'mon folks, I know its a hard mindset to break, but batting average tells you very little, and if you start talking about situations, you are going to be sorely misled. Obviously, there is a huge difference between the runs produced with a .364 OBP with the bases loaded than if you show a graphic saying he is "hitting" just .125 with the bases loaded.

The scary part is, I don't think DanO and the primary decision makers with the Reds understand the difference

[westofyou]

Your pedantic resistance against reality is hysterical.

That's by far my favorite Smiths tune.

[pedro]

Originally Posted by westofyou

That's by far my favorite Smiths tune.

I'm listening to "Panic on the threads of Redszone" right now.

[LoganBuck]

But discounting BA means that there will be no justification for keeping Casey around other than ratio of Hugs Given/Bottoms Slapped.

[registerthis]

Originally Posted by pedro

Why would a guy that hits 40-50 HR's need to steal 100 bases to be valuable? Your pedantic resistance against reality is hysterical.

I think BF meant either/or, not both at the same time.

Carry on.

[RedsBaron]

Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool

I wish Dunn would hit more singles...


BTW - Dunn's career numbers batting 4th:

 AB    BA   HR    RBI    OBP     SLG    OPS
554  .287   37     87   .402    .560   .962

Monsterous.

Amazing what happens when you have protection in the lineup.

Remember that Sean Casey has had protection in the lineup all season, which makes his relative lack of production even harder to take. A competent manager would have been batting Dunn 2nd, 3rd or 4th all season.

[NJReds]

Originally Posted by pedro

Dude, I saw they revolted againt you at mlb.com last light. Running out of places to spout your nonsense? That must hurt.

Nah...he's got quite a following at mlb.com...(aka the Church of Soft Walks).

These are the guys who don't enjoy a Reds victory if Dunn plays the hero. It's bittersweet to them, and for the life of me I can't understand why.

[Chip R]

Originally Posted by BadFundamentals

the old "not make outs" mantra (sigh)......

If you're going to play LEFT FIELD you're there for your HITTING or because you're going to steal 100 bases. I'll take a "not make outs" mantra from a catcher who does a good job defensively and handling pitching staff or from an infield glove guy or "maybe" CF who takes away would be hits. But if you're going to play LF or 1B you're paid to HIT THE BALL. Forget the walks.

MARTY

You and others seem to want Dunn to chase balls out of the strike zone in order to possibly drive more runs in. But if he does that he will strike out more than he does now. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. You criticize him for striking out so much but you want him to change his batting approach so he strikes out more often and will lower his batting average. Tell me how that makes sense.

[pedro]

Originally Posted by registerthis

I think BF meant either/or, not both at the same time.

Carry on.

yeah, but he can't accept that Dunn's HR's are hits, so he's just being irrational.

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by pedro

I'm listening to "Panic on the threads of Redszone" right now.

Panic on the streets of Dayton
Panic on the streets of Mariemont
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again ?
The Race side-streets that you slip down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise on Mt Adams
But Honey Pie, you're not safe here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there's Panic on the streets of Pete Rose Way
Dublin, Beraea, and the West Side
I wonder to myself

Burn down the Press Box
Hang the blessed Play by Play guy
Because the analysis that they constantly use
IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT TODAYS GAME
Hang the blessed Play by Play guy
Because the analysis that they constantly use

On the Race Street side-streets that you slip down
Or provincial towns you jog 'round
Hang the Play by Play Guy, Hang the Play by Play Guy,
Hang the Play by Play Guy,
Hang the Play by Play Guy,
Hang the Play by Play Guy,
Hang the Play by Play Guy,
Hang the Play by Play Guy,
Hang the Play by Play Guy,

[registerthis]

The Frank Thomas comparison might be a better one, if only because everyone seems to make an assumption that if Dunn would strikeout less, it would mean that his RBI or RC would decrease. But Frank Thomas shows us that it doesn't necessraily have to be that way.

Do I fault Dunn for taking walks? Absolutely not, that's a stupid comment to make. Telling someone to take less walks is akin to telling them to swing at more pitches outside of the strike zone. Like I said, it's stupid.

But what is debateable is whether Dunn can cut down his strikeouts while not decreasing the number of runs he creates. While it's true that we pay the big man to not make an out, the same could be said for Jason Romano. He, too, gets paid to not make an out (or, rather, DID). But Dunn is expected to do more than simply not make outs--he's expected to produce runs. His power dictates that.

People seem very hesitant to suggest that Dunn should work on lowering his strikeouts. But the fear that a cut down in strikeouts would also mean a cutback in production is simply a theory--and in fact it may well be selling Dunn short to suggest so. Am I happy with Dunn's production right now? Absolutely--you'd be a fool not to be. But I also believe that he has room for improvement, and the astronomical strikeout rate would be right up there on the list of things to work on.

What wouldn't be, however, is walks. If they want to give him a base, let them. Bat him third, in front of kearns and Junior, and that won't be a problem.

[pedro]

nice work woy.

[NoColonBoy]

Originally Posted by pedro

And for all of you who think that we're just worshiping Dunn and think he has no flaws, save it. We all know that he has room for improvement.

The unfortunate thing is that every Reds' flaws are overemphasized and overanalyzed when the team is in last place. We all go looking for what's wrong with Dunn or Wily Mo or whomever--which doesn't make a whole lot of sense when the offense is as potent (leading the league in runs scored which, last time I checked, was a pretty important stat) as this one is.

We all know it's the pitching and defense. And the defense wouldn't even be under the microscope if the pitching weren't so bad. Sure, we'd like Dunn to strike out a little less, we'd like Casey to hit with some more power, but it's not like the offense is broken.

[Puffy]

Originally Posted by Raisor

another 50-cents for the retirement fund...

ahem.

I believe yours was "gO rEDZ!!1!"

I clearly modified it and made it better and more mine with the last lower case "z" and only one exclamation point, thereby not infringing of your copyright and thusly not owing you 50 cent.