RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

[Cyclone792]

Vote for all RIGHT FIELDERS you believe should be in the Hall of Fame. This is a multiple-choice poll so you're allowed to vote for more than one player.

We'll stick with the tier system that gives the older players a little bit better shot at election. In the efforts of encouraging everybody to vote, but also maintaining a somewhat level playing field for all eligible candidates, this is the tier system for support needed ...

19th century (i.e. pre 1903): Need 2/5 support
Early Modern (roughly 1903-1945): Need 1/2 support
Integration (roughly 1945-1970): Need 5/8 support
Post Integration (roughly 1970-present): Need 2/3 support

The charts below are win shares data for all candidates. In order from left to right, the columns are career win shares, five-year peak win shares, win shares per 162 games, win shares during a player's top season and the predominant era each player played in (for purposes of the tier voting system). Happy voting!

Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
Hank Aaron          643        183       31.58         41       Integration
Bobby Bonds         302        149       26.45         32       Post Integration
Johnny Callison     241        136       20.70         32       Integration
Jack Clark          316        118       25.67         33       Post Integration
Roberto Clemente    377        146       25.10         35       Integration
Rocky Colavito      273        133       24.02         33       Integration
Gavy Cravath        202        144       21.51         35       Early Modern to WWII
Sam Crawford        446        159       28.70         36       Early Modern to WWII
Kiki Cuyler         292        116       25.17         34       Early Modern to WWII
Andre Dawson        340        132       20.96         29       Post Integration
Dwight Evans        347        122       21.57         31       Post Integration
Elmer Flick         291        152       31.80         37       Early Modern to WWII
Ken Griffey, Sr.    259        111       20.00         25       Post Integration
Pedro Guerrero      246        134       25.94         35       Post Integration

Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
Harry Heilmann      356        154       26.84         35       Early Modern to WWII
Tommy Henrich*      208        122       19.43         29       Early Modern to WWII
Harry Hooper        321        118       22.53         29       Early Modern to WWII
Reggie Jackson      444        148       25.50         41       Post Integration
Fielder Jones       290        135       26.27         32       Early Modern to WWII
Al Kaline           443        130       25.32         31       Integration
Willie Keeler       333        131       25.41         32       19th Century
King Kelly          278        130       30.95         35       19th Century
Chuck Klein         238        140       21.99         31       Early Modern to WWII
Roger Maris         224        135       24.80         36       Integration
Tommy McCarthy      170        110       21.60         24       19th Century
Bobby Murcer        277        146       23.51         38       Post Integration
Tony Oliva          245        134       23.68         33       Integration
Mel Ott             528        177       31.33         38       Early Modern to WWII

* Missed playing time due to WWII

Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
Dave Parker         327        150       21.48         37       Post Integration
Sam Rice            327        115       22.03         24       Early Modern to WWII
Frank Robinson      519        164       29.94         41       Integration
Babe Ruth           756        233       48.93         55       Early Modern to wWII
Ken Singleton       302        153       23.49         36       Post Integration
Enos Slaughter*     323        141       18.48         37       Integration
Reggie Smith        325        129       26.49         29       Post Integration
Rusty Staub         358        145       19.65         32       Post Integration
Sam Thompson        236        114       27.17         29       19th Century
Dixie Walker        278        133       23.64         33       Early Modern to WWII
Paul Waner          423        154       26.88         36       Early Modern to WWII
Dave Winfield       415        132       22.61         33       Post Integration
Ross Youngs         206        132       27.55         33       Early Modern to WWII

* Missed playing time due to WWII

[Puffy]

I voted for:

Aaron
Clemente
Crawford
Jackson
Kaline
Ott
Parker (yup, I'm a homer)
Robinson
Ruth
Waner
Winfield

[RedsBaron]

Opps! I inadvertently failed to vote for Clemente. Boss, can you please correct my oversight?
I otherwise voted for Aaron, Crawford, Heilmann, Jackson, Kaline, Ott, Robinson, Ruth, Slaughter, Waner and Winfield. I strongly considered voting for Flick, Keeler and Kelly, but finally did not do so.

[Cyclone792]

Hank Aaron
Roberto Clemente
Sam Crawford
Harry Heilmann
Reggie Jackson
Al Kaline
Mel Ott
Frank Robinson
Babe Ruth
Enos Slaughter
Paul Waner
Dave Winfield

Dave Parker and Willie Keeler are two guys I was on the fence about, but ultimately decided not to vote for.

[M2]

All right, who didn't vote for Babe Ruth?

Let me stump for two old-timers here:

King Kelly was, arguably, the biggest star of the 1800s. It comes down to him or Cap Anson. The man helped make the game. IMO, the HOF would have a huge, gaping hole without him in there. It's like trying to talk about American history and skipping over Ben Franklin.

Sam Rice lost time to WWI and had less than 1,000 ABs prior to age 29 thanks to that and to folks not thinking a little guy like him could play the game. He had to battle his way in the majors and he wound up with 2,987 hits. Personally I consider him to have 3,006 career hits because I count the 19 he got in the postseason. He's the only player in baseball history who crosses over the 3,000-hit line if you count his postseason accomplishments (which, IMO, should be part and parcel of a player's career totals). He had no HR power, but he was a good doubles hitter and he was a triples machine. If ever a guy scratched and clawed his way into a HOF career, it was Sam Rice.

[Boss-Hog]

Originally Posted by RedsBaron

Opps! I inadvertently failed to vote for Clemente. Boss, can you please correct my oversight?

Done...let me know if anyone else missed someone (*cough* Babe Ruth, Roberto Clemente, Frank Robinson, Mel Ott *cough*)

[marcshoe]

A couple of these are generous (Flick, Klein), but I voted for Aaron, Clemente, Crawford, Flick, Heilmann, Jackson, Kaline, Keeler, Kelly, Klein (maybe I just got carried away in the k's), Ott, Robinson, Ruth, Waner & Winfield.

Sorry Mr. Slaughter, but I decided against it.

[Cyclone792]

Poll closes Tuesday afternoon so just a little bump for anyone who may have missed it ...

I will be getting the first part of the starting pitchers up in a few hours. There's well over 100 pitchers listed so I'm going to break it up into 3 polls. Trying to select as much as 50 guys in a list well over 100 deep is just asking for some bug-eyed voters

[Jpup]

as of right now, Dave Winfield is not in. Something is wrong with that. He's about 1 or 2 votes shy. Same for King Kelly.

[M2]

Originally Posted by Jpup

as of right now, Dave Winfield is not in. Something is wrong with that. He's about 1 or 2 votes shy. Same for King Kelly.

And it's absurd that these two guys wouldn't make it.

[Cyclone792]

I didn't originally vote for King Kelly, but admittingly my knowledge base for pretty much every player pre-1892 is seriously lacking. In fact, I imagine I'm much more familiar with Negro Leaguers than I am with the game in the 1870s/1880s, and that's not saying much at all. As M2 stated in an earlier post, King Kelly was pretty darn influential in shaping the game ... and that alone is Hall worthy, though I was a moron missed that on the first go-around.

Also, since most everyone I've seen who is at least semi-familiar with that time period would put Kelly in the Hall, I'll take the good word that he unquestionably belongs. Boss, if you get a chance, please add a vote for King Kelly and Willie Keeler for me as I'd like to make those additions before the poll closes (if not, no worries, I'll be sure to manually add them in when the poll closes). I don't know why I didn't vote for Keeler ... all I can think of is some lingering hangover from New Year's

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by Cyclone792

I didn't originally vote for King Kelly, but admittingly my knowledge base for pretty much every player pre-1892 is seriously lacking.

Best RF vs the league prior to 60 6 inches, 2000 PA's required. An Oyster, Orator and a Chicken. Nicknames are dead.

CAREER
1876-1892
RF

RUNS CREATED/GAME               DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     AB     
1    King Kelly                 3.70     9.60     5.90     3694   
2    Mike Tiernan               3.31     9.26     5.95     2341   
3    Sam Thompson               2.77     8.79     6.02     3785   
4    Oyster Burns               2.13     8.09     5.96     2440   
5    Ed Swartwood               1.98     8.15     6.17     1740   
6    Orator Shaffer             1.70     7.47     5.77     2091   
7    Tommy McCarthy             1.45     7.51     6.05     2871   
8    Chicken Wolf               0.74     6.77     6.03     4968   
9    Mike Dorgan                0.05     5.88     5.83     2400   
10   Jack Manning               -.02     5.47     5.49     2571

[Big Klu]

Aaron, Clemente, Colavito, Crawford, Dawson, Evans, Heilmann, Jackson, Kaline, Keeler, Kelly, Ott, Parker, Rice, Robinson, Ruth, Thompson, Waner, Winfield.

I thought that Ruth, Aaron, Clemente, Robinson, Ott, Jackson, Kaline, and Kelly were the automatic choices.

Chuck Klein was an interesting possibility, but he became very mortal after leaving the cozy confines of the Baker Bowl. So I voted "nay" on Klein.

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by Big Klu

Chuck Klein was an interesting possibility, but he became very mortal after leaving the cozy confines of the Baker Bowl. So I voted "nay" on Klein.

Klein was a Depression era Gavy Cravath

Cravath's complete home and road splits

In 552 games at Baker Bowl, Cravath batted .307 with a .563 slugging percentage. In 669 games at all other parks, he hit .271 and slugged .413. Per 154 games played at Baker Bowl, he averaged 482 at bats, 81 runs, 148 hits, 35 doubles, 6 triples, and 26 homers. Elsewhere, he averaged 512, 66, 139, 25, 15, and 6, respectively.

[Cyclone792]

The final results ...

RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

Player                  % of votes
Hank Aaron            97.62 percent
Roberto Clemente      95.24 percent
Sam Crawford          59.52 percent
Reggie Jackson        92.86 percent
Al Kaline             88.10 percent
Willie Keeler         47.62 percent
King Kelly            45.24 percent
Mel Ott               83.33 percent
Frank Robinson        92.86 percent
Babe Ruth             97.62 percent
Paul Waner            52.38 percent
Dave Winfield         66.67 percent

Up until this point, the position with the highest amount of players voted in was shortstop with 11 guys. Right field eclipsed that mark with RedsZone voters putting in 12 guys. Paul Waner was the last man in, making it with only one vote to spare. The two guys who are, IMO, the biggest slights are Harry Heilmann (35.71 percent) and Enos Slaughter (40.48 percent).