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Wheelhouse · 02-27-2002, 01:34 PM

Actually, if Jr. wants to be traded, you can be sure we will get a #1 pitcher out of it, or two. Jr. left Seattle with a year left on his contract, he now has a very CHEAP long term deal. The Reds could get more than ever for Jr. now.

BigD · 02-27-2002, 01:36 PM

Wow, Im dying to know. Watch it turn out into nothing.

letsgojunior · 02-27-2002, 01:41 PM

though i do think junior probably enjoyed the atmosphere in the clubhouse in seattle better than here (no one ever backstabbed him there with silly stories about jokes made in the clubhouse), there was still a lot of bad blood between him and Gillick and bad blood between him and the fans (especially the loonies who threatened to kill him). But anyway, please let us know what is said in the interview...

Phil in BG · 02-27-2002, 01:45 PM

All we know from what TC has said is that it's about Junior, it's not good news and the local media may not pick up on it.If it were a trade demand, it would be headlining ESPN. Whatever it is, it was probably said in a moment of despair. Yes, I think it will blow over.

WebScorpion · 02-27-2002, 01:52 PM

Junior is one of the few players who can immediately increase attendance in your park. Plus he is currently signed to one of the sweetest long-term contracts ever put on paper (from an organizational standpoint). During the life of that contract, he will probably chase the Aaron (or Bonds) all-time home run record. There is not a player in all of baseball I would trade him for...but if we're talking 2... Say a Josh Beckett and a Brad Penny?... Hmmmm...now you've got me thinking.

letsgojunior · 02-27-2002, 01:56 PM

sorry scorp, but why would Florida trade two stud pitchers making nothing for a 32 year old making a lot of money when a) They already have a comparable centerfielder in Wilson b)they are not going to take on an 8 year contract when they don't know whats going to happen to their franchise next year c) Junior unfortunately now has "potential clubhouse problem" label thanks to the immature ex-Reds...

JoeReds · 02-27-2002, 01:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />All we know from what TC has said is that it's about Junior, it's not good news and the local media may not pick up on it.If it were a trade demand, it would be headlining ESPN. Whatever it is, it was probably said in a moment of despair. Yes, I think it will blow over. <hr /></blockquote>My take on what TC said was that the local media would not know anything until the story broke. I may have read into it though.

buckeyenut · 02-27-2002, 02:09 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by letsgojunior:
sorry scorp, but why would Florida trade two stud pitchers making nothing for a 32 year old making a lot of money when a) They already have a comparable centerfielder in Wilson b)they are not going to take on an 8 year contract when they don't know whats going to happen to their franchise next year c) Junior unfortunately now has "potential clubhouse problem" label thanks to the immature ex-Reds...<hr /></blockquote>Oh my goodness. That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Let me repeat it for those who missed it the first two readthroughs. "They already have a comparable centerfielder in Wilson" Preston Wilson is not even in the same galaxy as Griff Jr.

And as far as b) I strongly doubt Loria would have left the Expos to take over the Marlins if he was going to get contracted. I think he wants to own a team. That team actually needs a big bat, Jr. might go an awful long way towards getting a new stadium down there and he is on a sweetheart deal. I think he would be extremely interested in Jr, in fact maybe even enough to trade us Penny and Castillo for him. If they resign floyd and had Floyd, Jr. and Miller as their 3,4,5 hitters, that pitching would have all the run support they needed to be contenders. So don't count them out.

beb30 · 02-27-2002, 02:16 PM

I hope this is just Junior talking out of frustration.....Let us pray dearly that he is not going to be traded.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

REDREAD · 02-27-2002, 02:18 PM

Guys,

Jr can say "trade me to Florida (or whatever) or I'm going to retire".

No one is going to do Bowden any favors. If Jr wants out, you can bet his team of choice will hold the Reds hostage, just like we did to Seattle.

I hope Jr doesn't want to be traded though. Despite the opinion of some on this board, dumping Jr and Larkin is not going to make us a better team, even if we can spend all their salaries on other players.

Red Thunder · 02-27-2002, 02:26 PM

I have nothing (new) to say about this Junior debate ... just wanted to make the 100th post

Hollcat · 02-27-2002, 02:39 PM

They couldn't have Floyd, Jr, and Millar batting 3-4-5 because Jr has to hit third. It would have to be Jr, someone else, someone else hitting 3-4-5

M2 · 02-27-2002, 02:54 PM

Am I reading this wrong or are we being told that something big and not particularly good is up with Jr., but that we might never hear about it?

If it's something we'll never see and that the local media might not even notice (not that they're the sharpest tools in the shed, but you'd think they'd catch something obvious), then how bad can it be?

graveyard · 02-27-2002, 02:57 PM

just want to post, seems everyone else has. Griffey has a viral infection.

Phil in BG · 02-27-2002, 02:59 PM

Exactly what I've been trying to say M2.

02-27-2002, 01:34 PM	#91
Wheelhouse Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: New York Posts: 2,849	Actually, if Jr. wants to be traded, you can be sure we will get a #1 pitcher out of it, or two. Jr. left Seattle with a year left on his contract, he now has a very CHEAP long term deal. The Reds could get more than ever for Jr. now. __________________ "Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself."--Winston Churchill

02-27-2002, 01:36 PM	#92
BigD Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Loveland Posts: 221	Wow, Im dying to know. Watch it turn out into nothing. __________________ "Hindsight is 20/20"

02-27-2002, 01:52 PM	#95
WebScorpion SERP deep cover ops Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: In the Ether Posts: 5,367	Junior is one of the few players who can immediately increase attendance in your park. Plus he is currently signed to one of the sweetest long-term contracts ever put on paper (from an organizational standpoint). During the life of that contract, he will probably chase the Aaron (or Bonds) all-time home run record. There is not a player in all of baseball I would trade him for...but if we're talking 2... Say a Josh Beckett and a Brad Penny?... Hmmmm...now you've got me thinking. __________________ "It doesn't get any better than this," --Marty Brennaman

02-27-2002, 01:57 PM	#97
JoeReds Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 39	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">All we know from what TC has said is that it's about Junior, it's not good news and the local media may not pick up on it.If it were a trade demand, it would be headlining ESPN. Whatever it is, it was probably said in a moment of despair. Yes, I think it will blow over. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My take on what TC said was that the local media would not know anything until the story broke. I may have read into it though.

02-27-2002, 02:09 PM	#98
buckeyenut Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,721	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by letsgojunior: <strong>sorry scorp, but why would Florida trade two stud pitchers making nothing for a 32 year old making a lot of money when a) They already have a comparable centerfielder in Wilson b)they are not going to take on an 8 year contract when they don't know whats going to happen to their franchise next year c) Junior unfortunately now has "potential clubhouse problem" label thanks to the immature ex-Reds...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh my goodness. That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Let me repeat it for those who missed it the first two readthroughs. "They already have a comparable centerfielder in Wilson" Preston Wilson is not even in the same galaxy as Griff Jr. And as far as b) I strongly doubt Loria would have left the Expos to take over the Marlins if he was going to get contracted. I think he wants to own a team. That team actually needs a big bat, Jr. might go an awful long way towards getting a new stadium down there and he is on a sweetheart deal. I think he would be extremely interested in Jr, in fact maybe even enough to trade us Penny and Castillo for him. If they resign floyd and had Floyd, Jr. and Miller as their 3,4,5 hitters, that pitching would have all the run support they needed to be contenders. So don't count them out.

02-27-2002, 01:41 PM	#93
letsgojunior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 4,949	though i do think junior probably enjoyed the atmosphere in the clubhouse in seattle better than here (no one ever backstabbed him there with silly stories about jokes made in the clubhouse), there was still a lot of bad blood between him and Gillick and bad blood between him and the fans (especially the loonies who threatened to kill him). But anyway, please let us know what is said in the interview...

02-27-2002, 01:45 PM	#94
Phil in BG This could be the year Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Bowling Green, Ohio Posts: 452	All we know from what TC has said is that it's about Junior, it's not good news and the local media may not pick up on it.If it were a trade demand, it would be headlining ESPN. Whatever it is, it was probably said in a moment of despair. Yes, I think it will blow over.

02-27-2002, 01:56 PM	#96
letsgojunior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 4,949	sorry scorp, but why would Florida trade two stud pitchers making nothing for a 32 year old making a lot of money when a) They already have a comparable centerfielder in Wilson b)they are not going to take on an 8 year contract when they don't know whats going to happen to their franchise next year c) Junior unfortunately now has "potential clubhouse problem" label thanks to the immature ex-Reds...

02-27-2002, 02:16 PM	#99
beb30 University of Cincinnati Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Clifton, OH Posts: 701	I hope this is just Junior talking out of frustration.....Let us pray dearly that he is not going to be traded.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> __________________ THE University of Cincinnati

02-27-2002, 02:18 PM	#100
REDREAD Where's my chair? Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 19,890	Guys, Jr can say "trade me to Florida (or whatever) or I'm going to retire". No one is going to do Bowden any favors. If Jr wants out, you can bet his team of choice will hold the Reds hostage, just like we did to Seattle. I hope Jr doesn't want to be traded though. Despite the opinion of some on this board, dumping Jr and Larkin is not going to make us a better team, even if we can spend all their salaries on other players. __________________ Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2012 AND 2013! Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!

02-27-2002, 02:26 PM	#101
Red Thunder Glenn Braggs Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 1,376	I have nothing (new) to say about this Junior debate ... just wanted to make the 100th post

02-27-2002, 02:39 PM	#102
Hollcat Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: So. Cen. KY Posts: 1,109	They couldn't have Floyd, Jr, and Millar batting 3-4-5 because Jr has to hit third. It would have to be Jr, someone else, someone else hitting 3-4-5

02-27-2002, 02:54 PM	#103
M2 Posting in Dynarama Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 26,809	Am I reading this wrong or are we being told that something big and not particularly good is up with Jr., but that we might never hear about it? If it's something we'll never see and that the local media might not even notice (not that they're the sharpest tools in the shed, but you'd think they'd catch something obvious), then how bad can it be? __________________ Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong I'm witchcrafting everybody.

02-27-2002, 02:57 PM	#104
graveyard Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maysville, KY Posts: 153	just want to post, seems everyone else has. Griffey has a viral infection. __________________ Am I a five tooler?

02-27-2002, 02:59 PM	#105
Phil in BG This could be the year Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Bowling Green, Ohio Posts: 452	Exactly what I've been trying to say M2.

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