Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

harangatang · 01-23-2006, 10:58 AM

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...429/1071/SPT04

The Reds can't afford any more of the haplessness of the past 20 years when it comes to finding and developing starting pitchers.

They have to decide, and decide quickly, whether the ways of Reds general manager Dan O'Brien are going to work.

O'Brien's decision to throw money Eric Milton's way last year looks bad in light of what the numbers analysts were prophesying at the time: a fly-ball pitcher in a bandbox ballpark is a bad combination. O'Brien defied the science of those prophecies, took a flyer on Milton and got knocked out of the park.

On the other hand, hot-shot pitching prospect Homer Bailey - projected as a bona fide No. 1 future starter by everybody who has seen him - has remained healthy. That's no small thing for a minor-league system that has done wonders for orthopedic surgeons specializing in shoulder and elbow operations.

"Bailey could pitch here (Great American) right now," says former Reds star Chris Sabo, now working in the Reds' minor leagues.

"He is imperial," says Sabo, inflating his chest to show what he means. "Isn't that what you want? Twenty-five guys like that? Nine of them on the field and the other 16 believing they should be?"

The emphasis, of course, is on the "could." As in "could" be pitching here right now.

savafan · 01-23-2006, 11:14 AM

If Bailey comes into spring training and blows major league hitters away, I have no problem with him going north with the big club. I think you have to take your best 25 guys, no matter who they may be. The Braves did a pretty good job developing young pitchers at the major league level in the late 80s/early 90s. Sure, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery, Millwood, Smith...they all took their knocks, but never lost their confidence.

Unassisted · 01-23-2006, 11:20 AM

I saw this article and declined to post it because I thought the opinion was so without merit. Just because Homer "looks imperial" doesn't mean ML hitters are going to be fooled by his pitches. His ml numbers were good, not great. That tells me he needs to prove himself, rather than be rushed to the majors.

RFS62 · 01-23-2006, 11:55 AM

Holy crap.

westofyou · 01-23-2006, 11:56 AM

Christopher Gruler has a breaking ball and changeup better than Tom Seaver, says Johnny Bench.

Heath · 01-23-2006, 12:00 PM

The rate that this field management deals with rookies, Homer Bailey's gonna be 34 years old before he even makes the big club.

Caveat Emperor · 01-23-2006, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

The rate that this field management deals with rookies, Homer Bailey's gonna be 34 years old before he even makes the big club.

I imagine when your AA rotation has more stitches in their arms than the baseballs they throw -- that tends to make you a little gunshy.

lollipopcurve · 01-23-2006, 12:09 PM

Frickin Sabo. Look, I like that he evaluates Homer as a guy with confidence and presence. But Homer hasn't been allowed to throw more than 75 pitches in a professional game, facing low A hitters. Put him in GABP = letting your teenager do whatever he/she wants. Let's be responsible here -- he ain't ready.

I'm concerned that Castellini talks about being impatient with the minor leagues. If that translates into him wanting the best prospects rushed, he'll strip mine down to zero prospects in a year and a half. Patience IS required, Bob.

Chip R · 01-23-2006, 12:12 PM

Good thing he's not a pitching coach in the minors.

KronoRed · 01-23-2006, 12:13 PM

Lets rush em!

What's the worst that could happen?

GoReds · 01-23-2006, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westofyou

Christopher Gruler has a breaking ball and changeup better than Tom Seaver, says Johnny Bench.

Isn't that like saying Bailey has a better fastball than Tim Wakefield?

savafan · 01-23-2006, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KronoRed

Lets rush em!

What's the worst that could happen?

I hope it can't get any worse than what we've seen the last ten years.

dougdirt · 01-23-2006, 04:19 PM

No way is Bailey ready for the majors. He walks way to many people, wouldnt make it past 5 innings and for the love of God, the boy can not get himself out of jams. He has 1 plus pitch right now, and its his fastball. He has a few other average pitches, but average pitches in the big leagues get taken 400 feet. The kid will be 19 at the start of the season, no way he is ready.

Doc. Scott · 01-23-2006, 04:28 PM

Can someone please tell Chris Sabo the story of David Clyde?

westofyou · 01-23-2006, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc. Scott

Can someone please tell Chris Sabo the story of David Clyde?

Dan O'Brien should be able to.

His dad was the Texas GM who called up Clyde.

01-23-2006, 10:58 AM	#1
harangatang Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,493	Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...429/1071/SPT04 The Reds can't afford any more of the haplessness of the past 20 years when it comes to finding and developing starting pitchers. They have to decide, and decide quickly, whether the ways of Reds general manager Dan O'Brien are going to work. O'Brien's decision to throw money Eric Milton's way last year looks bad in light of what the numbers analysts were prophesying at the time: a fly-ball pitcher in a bandbox ballpark is a bad combination. O'Brien defied the science of those prophecies, took a flyer on Milton and got knocked out of the park. On the other hand, hot-shot pitching prospect Homer Bailey - projected as a bona fide No. 1 future starter by everybody who has seen him - has remained healthy. That's no small thing for a minor-league system that has done wonders for orthopedic surgeons specializing in shoulder and elbow operations. "Bailey could pitch here (Great American) right now," says former Reds star Chris Sabo, now working in the Reds' minor leagues. "He is imperial," says Sabo, inflating his chest to show what he means. "Isn't that what you want? Twenty-five guys like that? Nine of them on the field and the other 16 believing they should be?" The emphasis, of course, is on the "could." As in "could" be pitching here right now.

01-23-2006, 11:14 AM	#2
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now If Bailey comes into spring training and blows major league hitters away, I have no problem with him going north with the big club. I think you have to take your best 25 guys, no matter who they may be. The Braves did a pretty good job developing young pitchers at the major league level in the late 80s/early 90s. Sure, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery, Millwood, Smith...they all took their knocks, but never lost their confidence. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

01-23-2006, 11:20 AM	#3
Unassisted RZ Chamber of Commerce Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 13,221	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now I saw this article and declined to post it because I thought the opinion was so without merit. Just because Homer "looks imperial" doesn't mean ML hitters are going to be fooled by his pitches. His ml numbers were good, not great. That tells me he needs to prove himself, rather than be rushed to the majors.

01-23-2006, 11:55 AM	#4
RFS62 Hey Cubs Fans Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: New York Posts: 16,567	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now Holy crap. __________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain

01-23-2006, 11:56 AM	#5
westofyou breath Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: PDX Posts: 39,327	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now Christopher Gruler has a breaking ball and changeup better than Tom Seaver, says Johnny Bench.

01-23-2006, 12:00 PM	#6
Heath This one's for you Edd Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Area Posts: 8,471	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now The rate that this field management deals with rookies, Homer Bailey's gonna be 34 years old before he even makes the big club. __________________ Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

01-23-2006, 12:09 PM	#8
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,477	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now Frickin Sabo. Look, I like that he evaluates Homer as a guy with confidence and presence. But Homer hasn't been allowed to throw more than 75 pitches in a professional game, facing low A hitters. Put him in GABP = letting your teenager do whatever he/she wants. Let's be responsible here -- he ain't ready. I'm concerned that Castellini talks about being impatient with the minor leagues. If that translates into him wanting the best prospects rushed, he'll strip mine down to zero prospects in a year and a half. Patience IS required, Bob. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

01-23-2006, 12:12 PM	#9
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,211	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now Good thing he's not a pitching coach in the minors. __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

01-23-2006, 12:13 PM	#10
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now Lets rush em! What's the worst that could happen? __________________ Go Gators!

01-23-2006, 04:19 PM	#13
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,659	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now No way is Bailey ready for the majors. He walks way to many people, wouldnt make it past 5 innings and for the love of God, the boy can not get himself out of jams. He has 1 plus pitch right now, and its his fastball. He has a few other average pitches, but average pitches in the big leagues get taken 400 feet. The kid will be 19 at the start of the season, no way he is ready. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

01-23-2006, 04:28 PM	#14
Doc. Scott Lover of Trivialities Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Portland, OR (West Chester, OH) Posts: 6,066	Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now Can someone please tell Chris Sabo the story of David Clyde?

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