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Krusty · 01-24-2006, 10:39 AM

It was mentioned in today's papers that the Reds had discussions with the Indians involving Kearns going to Cleveland for RHP Jake Westbrook. According to Brad Kullman, discussions could be revisited especially with the Tribe ready to deal Crisp to the Red Sox for Marte.

So Kearns for Westbrook. Good deal or not?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...?playerId=4422

lollipopcurve · 01-24-2006, 10:43 AM

No way. Westbrook is a FA in 07.

KronoRed · 01-24-2006, 10:43 AM

Too old, no thanks.

traderumor · 01-24-2006, 10:47 AM

I think Westbrook had a career year in '04. Pass for Kearns, unless they want to sweeten the pot with a top arm prospect

flyer85 · 01-24-2006, 10:59 AM

bad deal

RedsManRick · 01-24-2006, 11:03 AM

Westbrook:
- 29 years old
- extreme groundball pitcher (2.69 career gb/fb ratio)
- very low k rate (~5 K/9)
- decent control
- 200+ IP the last two years

I think we could do worse -- but this wouldn't be the kind of deal that would really impact our chances. In other words, I think he'd be a solid FA signee for the #4 spot in a good rotation. I don't think we should trade one of our very limited assets for him. This staff needs to be expanded vertically talent-wise, not horizontally. Adding in another middle/back end guy doesn't really add much value. Package Pena/Kearns with prospects to bring in a guy who is top of the rotation material. We don't need more depth.

Johnny Footstool · 01-24-2006, 11:47 AM

The Reds don't need another bat-on-ball pitcher. They need a guy with a live arm and a streak of wildness to throw some variety into the rotation. It would be difficult for opposing hitters to face a pitch-to-contact guy (which means they can swing at anything) to a guy with good stuff but control issues. It would be a lot more difficult for them to get locked into a rhythm over a three-game series.

In theory, anyway...

KronoRed · 01-24-2006, 11:49 AM

Only if they take Milton

schroomytunes · 01-24-2006, 12:01 PM

agreed. Kearns for westbrook dosn't help us in any great way, he's just another back of the rotation guy, of which we are loaded with. Now on the other hand I would be willing to look at these scenerios:

1)Kearns-Garko and a A level pitcher-Garko plays 1st base and allows Dunn to go back to left.

2)Kearns-Sipp and Betencourt

3)Kearns-CLiff Lee straight up-why not?

Bill · 01-24-2006, 12:04 PM

Westbrook is not a bad innings eater but he is very streaky, either shutting down the opposing team or getting lit. He is not what the Reds need now though which is cheap young starters. I'd ask for some of their young starters.

If they get Michaels from Philly as is expected, they may not go for another OF though they prefer Blake as a supersub at this point. The discussed deal reported yesterday was similar, with the Reds getting Mota (for ?, not Westbrook).

Red Leader · 01-24-2006, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

The discussed deal reported yesterday was similar, with the Reds getting Mota (for ?, not Westbrook).

I'd have to believe that Freel would be of interest to a team like CLE, and I'd have to believe that after his latest run-in with the law, the F.O.'s need to put a fan friendly team on the field, and the depth we now have in the OF and at 2B, that Freel would be available in exchange for a late inning bullpen guy.

Heath · 01-24-2006, 12:19 PM

Here's a thought - why not keep Kearns?

Let's see if he catches lightining in a bottle.

Johnny Footstool · 01-24-2006, 12:20 PM

I'd rather trade Kearns to KC for a package including J.P. Howell than for a guy like Westbrook.

TOBTTReds · 01-24-2006, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schroomytunes

3)Kearns-CLiff Lee straight up-why not?

Yes, this would be fantastic, ridiculous, and unbelievable. This is a DanO proposition.

Kearns' value is so over estimated on this board. He might have a great year, but the chances of him batting .245 with 2 months of DL time is too likely for us to get much more than Westbrook in return.

KronoRed · 01-24-2006, 12:22 PM

THen we should keep him.

Don't trade for junk.

01-24-2006, 10:39 AM	#1
Krusty Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Williamsport, PA Posts: 12,311	Kearns for Westbrook? It was mentioned in today's papers that the Reds had discussions with the Indians involving Kearns going to Cleveland for RHP Jake Westbrook. According to Brad Kullman, discussions could be revisited especially with the Tribe ready to deal Crisp to the Red Sox for Marte. So Kearns for Westbrook. Good deal or not? http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...?playerId=4422 __________________ If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.

01-24-2006, 10:43 AM	#2
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,479	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? No way. Westbrook is a FA in 07. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

01-24-2006, 10:43 AM	#3
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? Too old, no thanks. __________________ Go Gators!

01-24-2006, 10:59 AM	#5
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? bad deal __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

01-24-2006, 11:03 AM	#6
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,915	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? Westbrook: - 29 years old - extreme groundball pitcher (2.69 career gb/fb ratio) - very low k rate (~5 K/9) - decent control - 200+ IP the last two years I think we could do worse -- but this wouldn't be the kind of deal that would really impact our chances. In other words, I think he'd be a solid FA signee for the #4 spot in a good rotation. I don't think we should trade one of our very limited assets for him. This staff needs to be expanded vertically talent-wise, not horizontally. Adding in another middle/back end guy doesn't really add much value. Package Pena/Kearns with prospects to bring in a guy who is top of the rotation material. We don't need more depth.

01-24-2006, 10:47 AM	#4
traderumor Unsolicited Opinions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Right Down Broadway Posts: 17,638	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? I think Westbrook had a career year in '04. Pass for Kearns, unless they want to sweeten the pot with a top arm prospect __________________ Can't win with 'em Can't win without 'em

01-24-2006, 11:47 AM	#7
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,664	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? The Reds don't need another bat-on-ball pitcher. They need a guy with a live arm and a streak of wildness to throw some variety into the rotation. It would be difficult for opposing hitters to face a pitch-to-contact guy (which means they can swing at anything) to a guy with good stuff but control issues. It would be a lot more difficult for them to get locked into a rhythm over a three-game series. In theory, anyway... __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

01-24-2006, 11:49 AM	#8
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? Only if they take Milton __________________ Go Gators!

01-24-2006, 12:01 PM	#9
schroomytunes Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wilmington n.c. Posts: 928	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? agreed. Kearns for westbrook dosn't help us in any great way, he's just another back of the rotation guy, of which we are loaded with. Now on the other hand I would be willing to look at these scenerios: 1)Kearns-Garko and a A level pitcher-Garko plays 1st base and allows Dunn to go back to left. 2)Kearns-Sipp and Betencourt 3)Kearns-CLiff Lee straight up-why not?

01-24-2006, 12:04 PM	#10
Bill Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,267	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? Westbrook is not a bad innings eater but he is very streaky, either shutting down the opposing team or getting lit. He is not what the Reds need now though which is cheap young starters. I'd ask for some of their young starters. If they get Michaels from Philly as is expected, they may not go for another OF though they prefer Blake as a supersub at this point. The discussed deal reported yesterday was similar, with the Reds getting Mota (for ?, not Westbrook).

01-24-2006, 12:19 PM	#12
Heath This one's for you Edd Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Area Posts: 8,471	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? Here's a thought - why not keep Kearns? Let's see if he catches lightining in a bottle. __________________ Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

01-24-2006, 12:20 PM	#13
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,664	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? I'd rather trade Kearns to KC for a package including J.P. Howell than for a guy like Westbrook. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

01-24-2006, 12:22 PM	#15
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: Kearns for Westbrook? THen we should keep him. Don't trade for junk. __________________ Go Gators!

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