Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

BoydsOfSummer · 01-30-2006, 04:37 PM

Just got my Baseball Prospect Book from John Sickels. Here are the Reds grades:

James Avery C
Homer Bailey B+
Bobby Basham C+
Willie Bergolla C
Jay Bruce B
Travis Chick C
Chris Denofia C+
Chris Dickerson C
Phil Dumatrait B-
Richie Gardner C
Justin Germano C+
Rafael Gonzalez C
Alex Graman C
Paul Janish C
Steve Kelly C
Bo Lanier C
Sam LeClure C+
Calvin Medlock C
Javon Moran C
Bubba Nelson C
Thomas Pauly C
Tyler Pelland C+
Miguel Perez C
Elizardo Ramirez C
Brandon Roberts C
Adam Rosales C
Jeff Stevens C+
B.J. Szymanski B-
Joey Votto C+
Zach Ward C+
Travis Wood B
Abe Woody C

Ravenlord · 01-30-2006, 04:38 PM

i pretty much agree with Sickel's take, but i think he's undervaluing Denorfia and Medlock.

klw · 01-30-2006, 05:00 PM

All those "C" ratings is giving me an awful flashback about my college Russian grades.

KronoRed · 01-30-2006, 05:03 PM

With these grades we can totally get into a community college

Heath · 01-30-2006, 05:15 PM

Sickels' also voted woy & krono posters of the year on redszone.com.

He gave Steel a B+. I couldn't believe it - blew me away.

Heath · 01-30-2006, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KronoRed

With these grades we can totally get into a community college

or UC.

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KronoRed · 01-30-2006, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

or UC.

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BURN

MikeS21 · 01-30-2006, 05:37 PM

I am vetry surprized to see Dumatrait rated a B-. I would have thought he was lower.

I also think he is being a little generous with Homer Bailey, since Bailey has shown no signs of being a dominating pitcher. I would be interested to see how that B+ compares to the grades Sickles has given some of the other recent young pitching studs.

Aronchis · 01-30-2006, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeS21

I am vetry surprized to see Dumatrait rated a B-. I would have thought he was lower.

I also think he is being a little generous with Homer Bailey, since Bailey has shown no signs of being a dominating pitcher. I would be interested to see how that B+ compares to the grades Sickles has given some of the other recent young pitching studs.

Most likely because of the piggyback system, Bailey's numbers were inflated, he pitched well down the stretch when he started.

Disagree that Bailey showed no signs. He showed plenty of signs, it is the consistancy of control that is his biggest hurdle and not one overly unexpected coming out of High School. His string of starts in May, 11k game late in the season when his arm was going full power was signs of dominance.

Signs don't mean "stud" yet, but they were there.

OSURedLeg · 01-30-2006, 08:02 PM

I've read alot of Sickel's stuff, and the B+ rating for Bailey is based both on a decent debue at Dayton and outstanding projectibility. The only grade that surprised me was Dumatrait's, simply due to the fact that his control isn't there and it's not just post surgery - he's had a tendency for walks even beforehand.

MikeS21 · 01-30-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aronchis

Most likely because of the piggyback system, Bailey's numbers were inflated, he pitched well down the stretch when he started.

Disagree that Bailey showed no signs. He showed plenty of signs, it is the consistancy of control that is his biggest hurdle and not one overly unexpected coming out of High School. His string of starts in May, 11k game late in the season when his arm was going full power was signs of dominance.

Signs don't mean "stud" yet, but they were there.

Any idea some of the other "big name" pitchers who may have been graded as a B+ at the same stage of their minor league career?

4256 Hits · 01-30-2006, 09:06 PM

B.J. Szymanski B-

Here is another one that seems to high.

Danny Serafini · 01-30-2006, 09:47 PM

That sure is a really lazy list. It's as if he gave everyone a C and then threw in a few random plusses just to make it look like he was doing some actual grading.

paintmered · 01-30-2006, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

or UC.

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Some of us UC guys have the power to ban.

Just sayin'

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dougdirt · 01-30-2006, 11:04 PM

What on earth was he grading on, and how did he come to these conclusions? If Bailey gets a B+, then how does Travis Wood get a B? What more did he want Wood to do really? Szymanski and Rosales both played in Dayton, where Adam clearly outproduced him, yet got a grade lower than him. Bo Lainer did horrible this year, but gets a C, when Elizardo Ramirez does well in Triple A at the same age, and gets the same grade?

I dont know what he grades on, but it doesnt seem that he knows a whole lot.

01-30-2006, 04:37 PM	#1
BoydsOfSummer So Long Uncle Joe Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hamilton,Ohio Posts: 3,849	Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects Just got my Baseball Prospect Book from John Sickels. Here are the Reds grades: James Avery C Homer Bailey B+ Bobby Basham C+ Willie Bergolla C Jay Bruce B Travis Chick C Chris Denofia C+ Chris Dickerson C Phil Dumatrait B- Richie Gardner C Justin Germano C+ Rafael Gonzalez C Alex Graman C Paul Janish C Steve Kelly C Bo Lanier C Sam LeClure C+ Calvin Medlock C Javon Moran C Bubba Nelson C Thomas Pauly C Tyler Pelland C+ Miguel Perez C Elizardo Ramirez C Brandon Roberts C Adam Rosales C Jeff Stevens C+ B.J. Szymanski B- Joey Votto C+ Zach Ward C+ Travis Wood B Abe Woody C __________________ 0 Value Over Replacement Poster "Sit over here next to Johnathan (Bench)...sit right here, he's smart."--Sparky Anderson

01-30-2006, 04:38 PM	#2
Ravenlord Into de Halls of Valhalla Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: mostly Williamsburg....occassionaly the rest of the several state region. Posts: 8,909	Re: Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects i pretty much agree with Sickel's take, but i think he's undervaluing Denorfia and Medlock. __________________ the store for all your blade, costuming (in any regard), leather (also in any regard), and steel craft needs.www.facebook.com/tdhshop yes, this really is how we make our living.

01-30-2006, 05:00 PM	#3
klw Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New England Posts: 4,280	Re: Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects All those "C" ratings is giving me an awful flashback about my college Russian grades.

01-30-2006, 05:03 PM	#4
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects With these grades we can totally get into a community college __________________ Go Gators!

01-30-2006, 05:15 PM	#5
Heath This one's for you Edd Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Area Posts: 8,471	Re: Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects Sickels' also voted woy & krono posters of the year on redszone.com. He gave Steel a B+. I couldn't believe it - blew me away. __________________ Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

01-30-2006, 05:37 PM	#8
MikeS21 Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,650	Re: Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects I am vetry surprized to see Dumatrait rated a B-. I would have thought he was lower. I also think he is being a little generous with Homer Bailey, since Bailey has shown no signs of being a dominating pitcher. I would be interested to see how that B+ compares to the grades Sickles has given some of the other recent young pitching studs. __________________ Opinions are like belly buttons. Everybody has one, and they don't want someone else's shoved into their face.

01-30-2006, 08:02 PM	#10
OSURedLeg Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 731	Re: Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects I've read alot of Sickel's stuff, and the B+ rating for Bailey is based both on a decent debue at Dayton and outstanding projectibility. The only grade that surprised me was Dumatrait's, simply due to the fact that his control isn't there and it's not just post surgery - he's had a tendency for walks even beforehand.

01-30-2006, 09:06 PM	#12
4256 Hits Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Findlay OH Posts: 1,370	Re: Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects B.J. Szymanski B- Here is another one that seems to high.

01-30-2006, 09:47 PM	#13
Danny Serafini 15 game winner Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sultanes de Monterrey Posts: 4,172	Re: Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects That sure is a really lazy list. It's as if he gave everyone a C and then threw in a few random plusses just to make it look like he was doing some actual grading.

01-30-2006, 11:04 PM	#15
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,645	Re: Sickels' Grades for Reds Prospects What on earth was he grading on, and how did he come to these conclusions? If Bailey gets a B+, then how does Travis Wood get a B? What more did he want Wood to do really? Szymanski and Rosales both played in Dayton, where Adam clearly outproduced him, yet got a grade lower than him. Bo Lainer did horrible this year, but gets a C, when Elizardo Ramirez does well in Triple A at the same age, and gets the same grade? I dont know what he grades on, but it doesnt seem that he knows a whole lot. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

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