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Redsfaithful · 02-15-2006, 04:11 AM

12 team league, with odd scoring. 10 categories, 6 of which are offense:

ERA, S, K, W
AVG, OBP, HR, RBI, R, SB

I've been trying to get them to add WHIP and drop something like AVG, but so far no luck.

Anyway, I get to keep three players heading into this season. It's the first time the league has ever allowed keepers. Here are the players that I held at the end of last season that I would consider at least borderline keepable:

Mark Teixeira
David Wright
Miguel Cabrera
Pedro Martinez
Zach Duke
Andy Pettite
Paul Konerko
Felipe Lopez
Carlos Beltran
AJ Burnett

Realistically, I'm definitely going to keep Pedro. I'm fairly sure I'm also keeping Teixeira, even though first base is such a deep position.

My real dilemma is Wright vs. Cabrera. I'm really having a tough time deciding which would be better, and I keep going back and forth. Anyone care to persuade me one way or the other?

Also, I included the above list just in case anyone thinks any of the above would be worth keeping over Pedro/Teixeira/Wright/Cabrera.

Thanks for the help!

Redsnake · 02-15-2006, 08:24 AM

I agree with keeping Pedro and Teixera. As for the other spot, I would pick D.Wright. Both will give you similar value. Cabrera's Avg. vs. Wright's stolen bases is the trade off. With Cabrera losing so much talent around him, I think that's another reason I lean toward Wright. With the amount of talent around Wright, his production could be even better than Cabrera.

IowaRed · 02-15-2006, 08:47 AM

I would keep Wright over Cabrera for the reasons Redsnake mentioned. If given the same set of circumstances I would strongly consider keeping Teixera, Cabrera, and Wright and letting Pedro go. While you are letting an ace go there are a lot of 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers out there to build a pitching staff with.

TeamSelig · 02-15-2006, 12:23 PM

There aren't many good SS's out there, I wouldn't overlook keeping Felipe. I don't think he would give you the best stats/points, but compared to other shortstops it might be worth keeping him. Then again, I'm a Reds fan so maybe I'm overvaluing him some. Just a thought.

bianchiveloce · 02-17-2006, 07:03 AM

Keep Cabrera (22 yrs old), Wright (23), and Teixeira(25). So much power coupled with such young ages. Now, like IowaRed said, you can always find a good 2nd or 3rd tier pircher out there. Heck, for that matter, keep the power hitters and take a pitcher as your first pick in regular draft.

Keep in mind that Pedro will be in his 34 years of age season and while that is not very old, he has accumulated 2513.0 career innings with 38,821 career total pitches thrown (per ESPN). For a 5' 11'', 180 lbs, that's a lot of innings and pitches.

Red Leader · 02-17-2006, 11:53 AM

I agree with biachiveloce (nice name).

I'd keep Wright, Cabrera, and Teixeira. That's a great offense to start with. Pickup a SP in the first round of your regular draft (you might even get Pedro back) and you should be in good shape.

Redsfaithful · 02-17-2006, 05:34 PM

K, you guys are making me seriously consider not keeping Pedro. I'll have to give it some more thought.

Offense is weighted heavier in this league, so that's a point in favor of keeping the three offensive players. I also won the ERA title last year by like .6, so there was a lot of wasted good pitching on my team. I'd rather that not happen again.

HotCorner · 02-19-2006, 08:49 PM

Mark Teixeira
David Wright
Miguel Cabrera

Bigredfan#1 · 02-27-2006, 01:06 AM

Pedro may not be healthy. I would consider throwing Lopez in the mix because of position!!

Redsfaithful · 02-27-2006, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2844

Mark Teixeira
David Wright
Miguel Cabrera

This is the way I've decided to go. Thanks to everyone for your help!

IowaRed · 02-27-2006, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redsfaithful

This is the way I've decided to go. Thanks to everyone for your help!

02-15-2006, 08:24 AM	#2
Redsnake Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 389	Re: Keeper Question I agree with keeping Pedro and Teixera. As for the other spot, I would pick D.Wright. Both will give you similar value. Cabrera's Avg. vs. Wright's stolen bases is the trade off. With Cabrera losing so much talent around him, I think that's another reason I lean toward Wright. With the amount of talent around Wright, his production could be even better than Cabrera.

02-15-2006, 08:47 AM	#3
IowaRed I can do the Hully Gully Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Posts: 1,088	Re: Keeper Question I would keep Wright over Cabrera for the reasons Redsnake mentioned. If given the same set of circumstances I would strongly consider keeping Teixera, Cabrera, and Wright and letting Pedro go. While you are letting an ace go there are a lot of 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers out there to build a pitching staff with. __________________ More often than not, when someone is telling me a story all I can think about is that I can't wait for them to finish so that I can tell my own story that's not only better, but also more directly involves me.

02-15-2006, 12:23 PM	#4
TeamSelig Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,727	Re: Keeper Question There aren't many good SS's out there, I wouldn't overlook keeping Felipe. I don't think he would give you the best stats/points, but compared to other shortstops it might be worth keeping him. Then again, I'm a Reds fan so maybe I'm overvaluing him some. Just a thought.

02-17-2006, 07:03 AM	#5
bianchiveloce Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Anderson, SC Posts: 56	Re: Keeper Question Keep Cabrera (22 yrs old), Wright (23), and Teixeira(25). So much power coupled with such young ages. Now, like IowaRed said, you can always find a good 2nd or 3rd tier pircher out there. Heck, for that matter, keep the power hitters and take a pitcher as your first pick in regular draft. Keep in mind that Pedro will be in his 34 years of age season and while that is not very old, he has accumulated 2513.0 career innings with 38,821 career total pitches thrown (per ESPN). For a 5' 11'', 180 lbs, that's a lot of innings and pitches. Last edited by bianchiveloce; 02-17-2006 at 07:59 AM.

02-17-2006, 11:53 AM	#6
Red Leader Puffy's Daddy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Centerville, OH Posts: 20,422	Re: Keeper Question I agree with biachiveloce (nice name). I'd keep Wright, Cabrera, and Teixeira. That's a great offense to start with. Pickup a SP in the first round of your regular draft (you might even get Pedro back) and you should be in good shape. __________________ 'When I'm not longer rapping, I want to open up an ice cream parlor and call myself Scoop Dogg.' -Snoop on his retirement Your Mom is happy.

02-15-2006, 04:11 AM	#1
Redsfaithful A Little to the Left Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bexley, OH Posts: 7,417	Keeper Question 12 team league, with odd scoring. 10 categories, 6 of which are offense: ERA, S, K, W AVG, OBP, HR, RBI, R, SB I've been trying to get them to add WHIP and drop something like AVG, but so far no luck. Anyway, I get to keep three players heading into this season. It's the first time the league has ever allowed keepers. Here are the players that I held at the end of last season that I would consider at least borderline keepable: Mark Teixeira David Wright Miguel Cabrera Pedro Martinez Zach Duke Andy Pettite Paul Konerko Felipe Lopez Carlos Beltran AJ Burnett Realistically, I'm definitely going to keep Pedro. I'm fairly sure I'm also keeping Teixeira, even though first base is such a deep position. My real dilemma is Wright vs. Cabrera. I'm really having a tough time deciding which would be better, and I keep going back and forth. Anyone care to persuade me one way or the other? Also, I included the above list just in case anyone thinks any of the above would be worth keeping over Pedro/Teixeira/Wright/Cabrera. Thanks for the help! __________________ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

02-17-2006, 05:34 PM	#7
Redsfaithful A Little to the Left Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bexley, OH Posts: 7,417	Re: Keeper Question K, you guys are making me seriously consider not keeping Pedro. I'll have to give it some more thought. Offense is weighted heavier in this league, so that's a point in favor of keeping the three offensive players. I also won the ERA title last year by like .6, so there was a lot of wasted good pitching on my team. I'd rather that not happen again. __________________ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

02-19-2006, 08:49 PM	#8
HotCorner Big League Choo! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The 513 Posts: 2,157	Re: Keeper Question Mark Teixeira David Wright Miguel Cabrera __________________ YouTube - Randy Pausch Last Lecture: Achieving Your Childhood Dreams Baseball Stars Rocks!

02-27-2006, 01:06 AM	#9
Bigredfan#1 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 187	Re: Keeper Question Pedro may not be healthy. I would consider throwing Lopez in the mix because of position!!

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