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03-20-2006, 11:00 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Brooklyn
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Pena traded for Arroyo
Pena is a Red Sox. Arroyo is now a Red. It's official.
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03-20-2006, 11:05 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Canal Winchester, OH
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Re: Good morning.
Where are you getting your info? I see nothing on ESPN, CBS.Sportsline or either of the team websites.
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03-20-2006, 11:07 AM
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Resident optimist
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: east of WOY
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Re: Good morning.
I'm not finding this anywhere.
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03-20-2006, 11:11 AM
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Rally Onion!
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Re: Good morning.
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03-20-2006, 11:11 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
Reds got ripped off.
Krivsky's first trade=F+
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03-20-2006, 11:12 AM
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Join Date: May 2002
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
I'm pretty sure Brooklynredz is a reliable early source on these types of things, just for future reference.
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03-20-2006, 11:13 AM
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Dented and Spent
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
Yup Brooklyn's got cred.
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03-20-2006, 11:15 AM
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Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Denver, CO
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
Ugh. Not only do we get a 4.5 ERA pitcher, which is moderately better than what we had (though that IS in the AL), but the offense takes a BIG hit with Hatteberg a full-time starter now. I don't see them letting Denorfia start, so the whole Dunn to 1st was a sham? What gives?
Or was the FO all of a sudden terrified that they only have two major league starters in the rotation?!?
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03-20-2006, 11:16 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Newport Beach, CA
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
Ugh! I'm not surprised to see WMP traded but I was hopeing to get better pitching for him.
I was also looking forward to seeing an OF of WMP, JR and Kearnes. Worst part is that it looks like Hatteberg is now the starting first baseman.
Sigh!
Rem
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03-20-2006, 11:16 AM
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Join Date: May 2002
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
Maybe they can try Kearns at 3b? The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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03-20-2006, 11:19 AM
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WMFP Commish
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Michigan
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
Confirmed on Marc's blog.
http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/
Not sure how I feel about this one yet...
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03-20-2006, 11:22 AM
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Harry Chiti Fan
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Washington, DC
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
Just what we need--another flyball pitcher with low K totals. Everything about him sreams "average" to me--no complete games, average BB totals, low K totals, etc. He was able to keep the ball in the park significantly more than, say, Milton--and he pitched in a hitter's park, too, so that much is encouraging.
On the flipside, while I don't think Arroyo is this team's answer for its pitching needs, I think people have a serious tendency to overvalue WMP. He's got all the raw talent in the world, but unrefined talent is worthless. While i would have rather seen the reds get more of a groundball pitcher--or one with a higher K rate--a pitcher in the neighborhood of Arroyo is about where WMP's value currently sits.
At least the Reds answered one of their question marks in the rotation--and this perhaps also opens the possibility of Milton moving to the bullpen if he continues to remain ineffective as a starter.
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03-20-2006, 11:23 AM
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White Castle to the Nile
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Tybee Island, GA
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
Yippee! Another #4 starter.
The more things change...
Even if WMP struggles to reach his ceiling, he's far too talented to give up on for the likes of Bronson Arroyo. What's Arroyo's upside? We've seen it.
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03-20-2006, 11:23 AM
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Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: New Jersey, USA
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Re: Pena traded for Arroyo
I'm not crazy about this. Even though he's better than most of the schlubs we have, Arroyo seems very average. I would have prefered to see what WMP could playing FT before dealing him off for an average pitcher.
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