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SirFelixCat · 03-20-2006, 11:12 AM

Ugh. Hatteberg not a starter and Arroyo and our ever-favorite "cash".

The more things change.... :not happy at all:

lollipopcurve · 03-20-2006, 11:12 AM

Ugh. I understand it, but I don't like it.

max venable · 03-20-2006, 11:14 AM

Starting rotation predictions?

1. Harang
2. Arroyo
3. Claussen
4. Milton
5. Wilson/Williams?

redsfan30 · 03-20-2006, 11:14 AM

Interesting move. I'll hold judgement for awhile.

OnBaseMachine · 03-20-2006, 11:16 AM

Man, I really wish we had Chris Antonetti.

This was a chance to bring in a Joe Nathan/Francisco Liriano type deal. Instead we get a pitcher with a career 4.59 ERA.

Narron's whining worked for him. If you can't bunt or play gold glove defense then he hates you.

Shaknb8k · 03-20-2006, 11:17 AM

I agree with redsfan...not real impressed with it but I also understand that you have to give up stuff to get starting pitching. No team is going to trade any type of decent prospects for wily mo. Thats just the way it is.

princeton · 03-20-2006, 11:17 AM

Krivsky specializes in contracts, and BA has a reasonable one.

it's not exactly building toward a BRM, but the move's coldly logical for a team that has bats and OFers but not even mediocre pitching

I give Krivsky an A for courage. Nobody else was brave enough to deal Pena, whose star could shine or nova.

Highlifeman21 · 03-20-2006, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

Krivsky's first trade: F+ or D-

I might go as high as D+ right now, but if Arroyo wins 15 games, then it's a C+/B-

03-20-2006, 11:18 AM

What does that ERA convert to in the NL?

OnBaseMachine · 03-20-2006, 11:19 AM

Offense will score 100-150 less runs this year. Pitching will not improve.

Hey jmmclain, fire up that Fire Krivsky website!

Reds Fanatic · 03-20-2006, 11:20 AM

I don't mind them trading Pena for pitching but what I don't like about the deal is Arroyo. If we could have traded Pena for another pitcher no problem but I don't think Arroyo was a good trade for Pena.

steig · 03-20-2006, 11:20 AM

How long is Arroyo under contract? For some reason I thought this was his last year as an arbitration player. If he isn't under a 3 year contract or so then I really don't like this deal. Krivsky did not do that well is his first trade, the offense is weaker, pitching is mildly better, but at least the defense improves.

OldXOhio · 03-20-2006, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsfan30

Interesting move. I'll hold judgement for awhile.

second that

HalMorrisRules · 03-20-2006, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beb30

Why dont any of you like this? Arroyo is a groundball pitcher and has been pretty decent over the past 2 seasons. WE NEED PITCHING not to mention he is relatively cheap.

Does anyone have a breakdown of groundball vs. flyball outs? Just curious, because if he is a true groundball pitcher then this may work out. I remember watching Arroyo in the playoffs in '04 and thinking that he did pitch with alot of heart.

I would rather have had Clement but maybe thats just because he is a "name" pitcher. He probably was too expensive even if Boston paid some of his salary when you consider that we got Arroyo AND cash. But if Castellini thinks that at any point in the future the Reds are going to be successful without spending money then he is looking at our minors through rose colored glasses.

top6 · 03-20-2006, 11:22 AM

Everyone says we have bats and outfielders to spare. I don't get it, who are our starting outfielders now???? Did Dunn spend all spring training learning first base for nothing???

03-20-2006, 11:12 AM	#16
SirFelixCat Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5,674	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox Ugh. Hatteberg not a starter and Arroyo and our ever-favorite "cash". The more things change.... :not happy at all: __________________ Resident Poker Pro

03-20-2006, 11:12 AM	#17
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,497	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox Ugh. I understand it, but I don't like it. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

03-20-2006, 11:14 AM	#18
max venable Bunn-O-matic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sugarcreek, Ohio Posts: 2,707	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox Starting rotation predictions? 1. Harang 2. Arroyo 3. Claussen 4. Milton 5. Wilson/Williams? __________________ For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.

03-20-2006, 11:14 AM	#19
redsfan30 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,545	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox Interesting move. I'll hold judgement for awhile. __________________ "Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill

03-20-2006, 11:16 AM	#20
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,662	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox Man, I really wish we had Chris Antonetti. This was a chance to bring in a Joe Nathan/Francisco Liriano type deal. Instead we get a pitcher with a career 4.59 ERA. Narron's whining worked for him. If you can't bunt or play gold glove defense then he hates you.

03-20-2006, 11:17 AM	#21
Shaknb8k Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 580	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox I agree with redsfan...not real impressed with it but I also understand that you have to give up stuff to get starting pitching. No team is going to trade any type of decent prospects for wily mo. Thats just the way it is.

03-20-2006, 11:17 AM	#22
princeton Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: princeton, nj Posts: 9,482	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox Krivsky specializes in contracts, and BA has a reasonable one. it's not exactly building toward a BRM, but the move's coldly logical for a team that has bats and OFers but not even mediocre pitching I give Krivsky an A for courage. Nobody else was brave enough to deal Pena, whose star could shine or nova.

03-20-2006, 11:18 AM	#24
Sham Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox What does that ERA convert to in the NL?

03-20-2006, 11:19 AM	#25
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,662	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox Offense will score 100-150 less runs this year. Pitching will not improve. Hey jmmclain, fire up that Fire Krivsky website!

03-20-2006, 11:20 AM	#26
Reds Fanatic Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Piqua, OH Posts: 16,437	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox I don't mind them trading Pena for pitching but what I don't like about the deal is Arroyo. If we could have traded Pena for another pitcher no problem but I don't think Arroyo was a good trade for Pena.

03-20-2006, 11:20 AM	#27
steig Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Centerville,OH Posts: 635	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox How long is Arroyo under contract? For some reason I thought this was his last year as an arbitration player. If he isn't under a 3 year contract or so then I really don't like this deal. Krivsky did not do that well is his first trade, the offense is weaker, pitching is mildly better, but at least the defense improves.

03-20-2006, 11:22 AM	#30
top6 Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: cincinnati Posts: 1,637	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox Everyone says we have bats and outfielders to spare. I don't get it, who are our starting outfielders now???? Did Dunn spend all spring training learning first base for nothing???

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