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KronoRed · 03-20-2006, 03:25 PM

The best lineup the Reds could run out..IMO

LF Freel
SS Lopez
1B Dunn
CF JR
RF Kearns
3B EE
C LaRue
2B Richey

LincolnparkRed · 03-20-2006, 03:26 PM

So I was looking at who I thought this trade would compare to and I thought about Jose Guillen. The reds traded him as part of the 2003 purge sand got two unproved pitchers Harang and Valentine. Now I totally agree the WMP has a higher ceiling than Jose but Jose had about 200 more games worth of experience and had some sucess, decent average, less power but he could only get us two mid level minor leaguers.

I guess I am saying that although this trade does not excite me we at least are trying to get something proven vs. potential and for the new owners it comes down to attendance this year to set the tone for their ownership.

Falls City Beer · 03-20-2006, 03:28 PM

Freel 2nd
Lopez SS
Dunn 1st
Junior LF
Kearns RF
EE 3rd
Denorfia CF
Larue C

Easily the optimal lineup. Easily.

Raisor · 03-20-2006, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

Freel 2nd
Lopez SS
Dunn 1st
Junior LF
Kearns RF
EE 3rd
Denorfia CF
Larue C

Easily the optimal lineup. Easily.

I still like

Freel 2B
EddieE 3B
Dunn 1B
Junior LF
Lopez SS
Kearns RF
LaRue C
Denofia CF

EddieE hitting second still does it for me. Hitting in front of Dunn=s-u-cc-e-ss.

PickOff · 03-20-2006, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raisor

I still like

Freel 2B
EddieE 3B
Dunn 1B
Junior LF
Lopez SS
Kearns RF
LaRue C
Denofia CF

EddieE hitting second still does it for me. Hitting in front of Dunn=s-u-cc-e-ss.

Too much pressure on the kid, IMO, I'd keep him in the 6 slot.

Falls City Beer · 03-20-2006, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raisor

I still like

Freel 2B
EddieE 3B
Dunn 1B
Junior LF
Lopez SS
Kearns RF
LaRue C
Denofia CF

EddieE hitting second still does it for me. Hitting in front of Dunn=s-u-cc-e-ss.

Sure. That'll work too. I guess I was thinking less "order" than who's in the lineup and what position they should man.

OnBaseMachine · 03-20-2006, 03:33 PM

2B Freel
SS Lopez
LF Dunn
CF Griffey
RF Kearns
3B Encarnacion
1B Shealy/Choi
C LaRue

adampad · 03-20-2006, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westofyou

1 k every 3 ab's - 1 BB every 17, never hit above .280 anywhere and fielded like he had a ashtray for a glove.

Pena couldn't carry Dunn's jock much alone the team.

Be disgusted but at least note the concept of reality.

WMP: AB/k = .346
Dunn: AB/k = .322

Dunn has never hit above .270.

And Dunn was allowed to learn the game in the minors and plays everyday. And if WMP has a ashtry for a glove, Dunn has a water balloon for a glove and a water pistol for an arm.

PickOff · 03-20-2006, 03:41 PM

What really buggers me about all this is that Hatteberg is 36 and had a poor year last year with alot of at bats. His bat speed has got to be suffering. It is probably asking too much for him to rebound. Best case we are looking at a 750 ops and average defense. Screams bench player to me. Give Denorfia shot. I don't think Dunn would be any worse defensively than Hatteberg and Denorfia would be at least as good as Dunn in the field.

OnBaseMachine · 03-20-2006, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adampad

WMP: AB/k = .346
Dunn: AB/k = .322

Dunn has never hit above .270.

And Dunn was allowed to learn the game in the minors and plays everyday. And if WMP has a ashtry for a glove, Dunn has a water balloon for a glove and a water pistol for an arm.

Ah, the important batting average.

Adam Dunn is one of a couple handful of hitters still active with a career OPS over .900. Pena, as much as I love his power, has a career .780 OPS. Pena is not even in Dunn's league.

Dunn is a better fielder too.

vaticanplum · 03-20-2006, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PickOff

What really buggers me about all this is

No, it bugs you -- the imagery of buggering is bad, bad.

Back to baseball, carry on.

adampad · 03-20-2006, 03:43 PM

What is the point of trading for Arroyo? Lets be honest. He is not going to make us a contender. So why trade our potential superstar away? I would rather watch WMP play everyday and the Reds go 70-92 than not having him and going 80-82. The trade might be a step in the right direction but its at the wrong time.

OnBaseMachine · 03-20-2006, 03:44 PM

IF Arroyo can return to his 2004 form, then I won't mind the deal. What hurts the most is the fact that Womack and Hatteberg will now be everyday players. Just awful.

Krivsky needs to pick up a 1B before Opening Day. Ryan Shealy and Hee Seop Choi are available, go get 'em Krivsky.

adampad · 03-20-2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

Ah, the important batting average.

Adam Dunn is one of a couple handful of hitters still active with a career OPS over .900. Pena, as much as I love his power, has a career .780 OPS. Pena is not even in Dunn's league.

Dunn is a better fielder too.

Your putting words in my mouth. He said WMP never hit over .280 so I am simply reminding him that Dunn hasn't ever hit over .270. Oh and by the way, they have the exact same career AVG.

westofyou · 03-20-2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Dunn has never hit above .270.

Sure he has, every year in the minors.

WMP... nah.

K's are closer than I recall, but the walks soften that quite a bit.

03-20-2006, 03:25 PM	#301
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,344	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox The best lineup the Reds could run out..IMO LF Freel SS Lopez 1B Dunn CF JR RF Kearns 3B EE C LaRue 2B Richey __________________ Go Gators!

03-20-2006, 03:26 PM	#302
LincolnparkRed Designated Threadkiller Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,789	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox So I was looking at who I thought this trade would compare to and I thought about Jose Guillen. The reds traded him as part of the 2003 purge sand got two unproved pitchers Harang and Valentine. Now I totally agree the WMP has a higher ceiling than Jose but Jose had about 200 more games worth of experience and had some sucess, decent average, less power but he could only get us two mid level minor leaguers. I guess I am saying that although this trade does not excite me we at least are trying to get something proven vs. potential and for the new owners it comes down to attendance this year to set the tone for their ownership. __________________ Climbing down from the bridge, but keeping the torch lit until Dusty's fate is settled

03-20-2006, 03:28 PM	#303
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox Freel 2nd Lopez SS Dunn 1st Junior LF Kearns RF EE 3rd Denorfia CF Larue C Easily the optimal lineup. Easily.

03-20-2006, 03:33 PM	#307
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,662	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox 2B Freel SS Lopez LF Dunn CF Griffey RF Kearns 3B Encarnacion 1B Shealy/Choi C LaRue __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

03-20-2006, 03:41 PM	#309
PickOff Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,332	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox What really buggers me about all this is that Hatteberg is 36 and had a poor year last year with alot of at bats. His bat speed has got to be suffering. It is probably asking too much for him to rebound. Best case we are looking at a 750 ops and average defense. Screams bench player to me. Give Denorfia shot. I don't think Dunn would be any worse defensively than Hatteberg and Denorfia would be at least as good as Dunn in the field. __________________ Thank goodness for baseball.

03-20-2006, 03:43 PM	#312
adampad Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 286	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox What is the point of trading for Arroyo? Lets be honest. He is not going to make us a contender. So why trade our potential superstar away? I would rather watch WMP play everyday and the Reds go 70-92 than not having him and going 80-82. The trade might be a step in the right direction but its at the wrong time.

03-20-2006, 03:44 PM	#313
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,662	Re: Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox IF Arroyo can return to his 2004 form, then I won't mind the deal. What hurts the most is the fact that Womack and Hatteberg will now be everyday players. Just awful. Krivsky needs to pick up a 1B before Opening Day. Ryan Shealy and Hee Seop Choi are available, go get 'em Krivsky. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

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