Trade: Wily Mo to Red Sox

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by George Foster

Dunn has chunks in his stool that are tougher than WMP!

Dude, that is funny.

Stool has to be one of the greatest words in the English language.

[flyer85]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

Stool has to be one of the greatest words in the English language.

[Heath]

Originally Posted by flyer85

flyer, after your day here today, I was sincerely afraid to look at this picture.

[westofyou]

Some have their own stool

[KronoRed]

Just a brown stool

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally Posted by westofyou

Some have their own stool

I don't even want to know how you found that picture.

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by Austin Kearns

I don't even want to know how you found that picture.

http://freaks.monstrous.com/

[TeamBoone]

Originally Posted by TC81190

Why, just why, couldn't they have traded Kearns? He's the worst of the OFs, including Denorfia.

Do you seriously believe that?

[blumj]

Originally Posted by kyred14

I don't like this trade. I'm hoping for the best, but this dude is going to give Milton a serious run for his money. Awful.......

Slight overreaction maybe? It's not like he's been pitching in some great pitcher's park against crappy lineups with a great defense behind him for the last 2 years.

[buckshotrod]

TeamBoone...I know you weren't posting to me but I did say I would have preferred Kearns trading over Pena..not because I think Kearns stinks, I just can't help think there is something lingering wrong with him since Fat Ray sat on him. He has not done crap since. Could he be shy from being HBP? I hope I am very wrong as like Austin a lot..but maybe you have some insight?

I need to defend Arroyo a little bit. I'm a Sox fan and have seen all of his starts. For someone who was plucked out of the scrap heap of Pittsburgh, he's developed into a solid middle of the rotation starter. I'd say he he has a above average breaking ball, average fastball, and a below average change. He has a funky, deceptive delivery and normally, good control. He is durable, has a rubber arm, and led the Sox in quality starts last year (though the Sox pitching sucked in general all year) He is cost controlled for the next three years and is a good value at his price.

For the negatives, he's 29 and doesnt have the stuff to be an ace. Lefties have crushed him lately. His delivery and breaking ball dont help against lefties, and he didnt have the confidence/results to throw the change/ inside fastball against them. I think a good part of his declining k-rate was teams getting a better scouting report and stacking the lineup with lefties against him. He needs a lefty out pitch if his changeup isnt going to improve.

I dont know a hell of a lot about Wily Mo Pena other than clips of 500ft home runs and seeing him butcher a flyball into a homerun at Fenway last year, but from a Sox stand point, they would have gladly dumped Wells and Clement before Arroyo if they could have gotten value for them.

[Heath]

Originally Posted by HeCanSingToo

I need to defend Arroyo a little bit. I'm a Sox fan and have seen all of his starts. For someone who was plucked out of the scrap heap of Pittsburgh, he's developed into a solid middle of the rotation starter. I'd say he he has a above average breaking ball, average fastball, and a below average change. He has a funky, deceptive delivery and normally, good control. He is durable, has a rubber arm, and led the Sox in quality starts last year (though the Sox pitching sucked in general all year) He is cost controlled for the next three years and is a good value at his price.

For the negatives, he's 29 and doesnt have the stuff to be an ace. Lefties have crushed him lately. His delivery and breaking ball dont help against lefties, and he didnt have the confidence/results to throw the change/ inside fastball against them. I think a good part of his declining k-rate was teams getting a better scouting report and stacking the lineup with lefties against him. He needs a lefty out pitch if his changeup isnt going to improve.

I dont know a hell of a lot about Wily Mo Pena other than clips of 500ft home runs and seeing him butcher a flyball into a homerun at Fenway last year, but from a Sox stand point, they would have gladly dumped Wells and Clement before Arroyo if they could have gotten value for them.

Here's a question -

Could pitching in a less of a pressure cooker like Cincinnati give Arroyo a little more confidence in his stuff and allow him to "let-loose"?

Boston isn't a place to pitch if you can't handle the steam.

Originally Posted by Heath

Here's a question -

Could pitching in a less of a pressure cooker like Cincinnati give Arroyo a little more confidence in his stuff and allow him to "let-loose"?

Boston isn't a place to pitch if you can't handle the steam.

Well his nickname on SOSH is Saturn Balls. He came up big in the playoffs and I dont think mental toughness is an issue. IMO, he just needs an out pitch against lefties if he doesnt trust his change. Regardless, I think he'll be solid. I expect he'll be more effective his 1st time around the NL.

Tony Womack? Who thought that was a good idea? Tony Graffanino needs a home.

Edit: Sorry for the Womack comment, didnt realize it was a sore subject

[Gainesville Red]

Originally Posted by HeCanSingToo

Edit: Sorry for the Womack comment, didnt realize it was a sore subject

I don't think of it as a sore subject, I think the majority of the board feels about the same way you do.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by HeCanSingToo

Well his nickname on SOSH is Saturn Balls. He came up big in the playoffs and I dont think mental toughness is an issue. IMO, he just needs an out pitch against lefties if he doesnt trust his change. Regardless, I think he'll be solid. I expect he'll be more effective his 1st time around the NL.

Tony Womack? Who thought that was a good idea? Tony Graffanino needs a home.

Edit: Sorry for the Womack comment, didnt realize it was a sore subject

Thanks for the input, HCST.