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PickOff · 03-20-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by remdog

Ugh! I'm not surprised to see WMP traded but I was hopeing to get better pitching for him.

I was also looking forward to seeing an OF of WMP, JR and Kearnes. Worst part is that it looks like Hatteberg is now the starting first baseman.

Sigh!

Rem

I wouldn't assume Hatteberg gets the vast majority of starts at first. At least I hope not. This does give the Reds more flexibility with Freel, however, and since he has been seeing alot of time in the outfield, this move gives him more playing time with Dunn at first half the time. You know Narron likes this, cause now he can ride the hot hand between Hatteberg and Freel and slot Richie Rich at second when Freel plays OF. I think we will see an equal rotation between Hatteberg, Rich, Freel, and Womack IMO - also depending on productivity.

I do wonder what Krivsky is thinking long term here, though. Where does he envision our outfield in the future. Denorfia - RF, Kearns - CF, Dunn - LF. All I can say is I hope he has a plan.

Do I like this trade? I like it for the short term because it does make our team better now, and measurably so. But like I said, Krivsky better have a plan.

Crash Davis · 03-20-2006, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by remdog

Worst part is that it looks like Hatteberg is now the starting first baseman.

Sigh!

Rem

It wouldn't take much to imagine a worse scenario. This opens up LF for Freel, so they can get Womack & Aurilia into the lineup at 2B on a regular basis.

ochre · 03-20-2006, 11:28 AM

counter intuitively, what if Pena struggles in the AL? It's been assumed that since defensively his best position is DH that the AL was the place for him. The AL, however, has traditionally been more of a breaking ball league. Is this still true? If so, I wouldn't be surprised to see him struggle.

Chip R · 03-20-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ochre

counter intuitively, what if Pena struggles in the AL? It's been assumed that since defensively his best position is DH that the AL was the place for him. The AL, however, has traditionally been more of a breaking ball league. Is this still true? If so, I wouldn't be surprised to see him struggle.

And the Sox already have a DH unless they plan on moving Ortiz back to 1st.

OldRightHander · 03-20-2006, 11:30 AM

I'm slightly disappointed, but I'm going to adopt a wait and see approach.

PuffyPig · 03-20-2006, 11:32 AM

On the plus side, Arroyo's stats weren't helped by pitching in Boston, and he's signed to a fairly friendly 3 year contract (if I recall correctly). Pena would start making big money after this season, even if he didn't improve much. Arroyo, because of his contract, was a fairly valuable trading chip. He did pitch 200 innings last year, with an ERA in the AL (in Boston) of about 4.50.

There's some hope here. His ERA over the last 3 years away from home is about 3.50.

Bigg Red Smokey · 03-20-2006, 11:34 AM

Just when you thought it could not get any worse... It does.

At least you got to hand it Krivsky, it took a lot of sack to make this move. If Pena comtinues to develop consistently over the enxt few years, and Arroyo does what most pitchers do at the GAB then this could wind up as one of the worst trades in the last 15 years.

Edit: I have to admit that Arroya has grown on me during his time in Boston, but the Reds took a huge risk here. I can just envision Pena just mashing w/ the BoSox.

registerthis · 03-20-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

On the plus side, Arroyo's stats weren't helped by pitching in Boston, and he's signed to a fairly friendly 3 year contract (if I recall correctly). Pena would start making big money after this season, even if he didn't improve much. Arroyo, because of his contract, was a fairly valuable trading chip. He did pitch 200 innings last year, with an ERA in the AL (in Boston) of about 4.50.

There's some hope here. His ERA over the last 3 years away from home is about 3.50.

He's easily the best starter the Reds have beyond Harang and Claussen, and he may be better than Claussen. There's no question this trade improves the pitching staff. Like I wrote earlier, I would have rather seen the Reds go after a higher K guy, but I'm willing to see what Arroyo can bring.

flyer85 · 03-20-2006, 11:35 AM

I just hope they don't give 1B to Hatteberg. Here is a chance to improve the defense, make Denorfia a starter.

deltachi8 · 03-20-2006, 11:36 AM

And the Reds still lose 90 games.

Bad deal.

registerthis · 03-20-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigg Red Smokey

Just when you thought it could not get any worse... It does.

How are the Reds worse for this move?

chicoruiz · 03-20-2006, 11:38 AM

Remember when the BoSox traded away a young Jeff Bagwell to acquire a mediocre veteran pitcher named Larry Anderson?

I hope this isn't an example of that karma coming back around...

PickOff · 03-20-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by registerthis

How are the Reds worse for this move?

They aren't. It is a good short term move if Krivsky has a strong long term plan.

flyer85 · 03-20-2006, 11:38 AM

I'm very ambivalent. It only helps if they put Freel in center and move Jr to left or put Freel at 2B and put Denorfia in CF.

Cedric · 03-20-2006, 11:41 AM

The Reds wanted to make a point and they did it. Yippee! Another fourth starter at best. I really can't handle this organization much longer.

03-20-2006, 11:28 AM	#18
ochre Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,266	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo counter intuitively, what if Pena struggles in the AL? It's been assumed that since defensively his best position is DH that the AL was the place for him. The AL, however, has traditionally been more of a breaking ball league. Is this still true? If so, I wouldn't be surprised to see him struggle. __________________ 4009

03-20-2006, 11:30 AM	#20
OldRightHander Resident optimist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: east of WOY Posts: 5,029	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo I'm slightly disappointed, but I'm going to adopt a wait and see approach.

03-20-2006, 11:32 AM	#21
PuffyPig Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,713	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo On the plus side, Arroyo's stats weren't helped by pitching in Boston, and he's signed to a fairly friendly 3 year contract (if I recall correctly). Pena would start making big money after this season, even if he didn't improve much. Arroyo, because of his contract, was a fairly valuable trading chip. He did pitch 200 innings last year, with an ERA in the AL (in Boston) of about 4.50. There's some hope here. His ERA over the last 3 years away from home is about 3.50.

03-20-2006, 11:34 AM	#22
Bigg Red Smokey Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 372	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Just when you thought it could not get any worse... It does. At least you got to hand it Krivsky, it took a lot of sack to make this move. If Pena comtinues to develop consistently over the enxt few years, and Arroyo does what most pitchers do at the GAB then this could wind up as one of the worst trades in the last 15 years. Edit: I have to admit that Arroya has grown on me during his time in Boston, but the Reds took a huge risk here. I can just envision Pena just mashing w/ the BoSox.

03-20-2006, 11:35 AM	#24
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo I just hope they don't give 1B to Hatteberg. Here is a chance to improve the defense, make Denorfia a starter. __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

03-20-2006, 11:36 AM	#25
deltachi8 smells of rich mahogany Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,001	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo And the Reds still lose 90 games. Bad deal. __________________ Nothing to see here. Please disperse.

03-20-2006, 11:38 AM	#27
chicoruiz Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,663	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Remember when the BoSox traded away a young Jeff Bagwell to acquire a mediocre veteran pitcher named Larry Anderson? I hope this isn't an example of that karma coming back around...

03-20-2006, 11:38 AM	#29
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo I'm very ambivalent. It only helps if they put Freel in center and move Jr to left or put Freel at 2B and put Denorfia in CF. __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

03-20-2006, 11:41 AM	#30
Cedric Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Monroe Posts: 6,218	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo The Reds wanted to make a point and they did it. Yippee! Another fourth starter at best. I really can't handle this organization much longer. __________________ This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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