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BCubb2003 · 04-07-2006, 01:39 AM

Baseball Prospectus readers may be familiar with this already, but here's an article at ESPN about clutch hitters. It's an excerpt from the BP book. It discusses Tony Perez but doesn't draw any conclusions about him. It does name the best clutch hitter since 1972, however.

One other thing. It says a lead-off out is more than twice as costly as the last out of an inning. I think I know what they're getting at, but I'd think the last out of an inning would be infinitely costly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...t&lid=tab4pos2

Dom Heffner · 04-07-2006, 01:41 AM

I wonder what part of the brain the clutch skill lives in.

dougdirt · 04-07-2006, 02:29 AM

Last guy I want to pitch to with a runner on base is Manny Ramirez...but thats just my opinion.

SteelSD · 04-07-2006, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom Heffner

I wonder what part of the brain the clutch skill lives in.

The clutchdulla oblongata?

WMR · 04-07-2006, 03:09 AM

dunn was clutch last nite

Highlifeman21 · 04-07-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WomackRULZZZ250

dunn was clutch last nite

The umps were more clutch by reversing that call for Dunn's flair to center where they initially called it a catch by Duffy.

For the record, I think 479 feet for Dunn's HR is a small estimate.

BCubb2003 · 04-07-2006, 01:18 PM

Skeptics would point out that Dunn struck out with a runner on first, flied out with the bases loaded, and grounded out with a runner on second. Believers would point out that as the game got close and late, he came through.

I expect him to hit at least 50 homers this year and drive people crazy every time he doesn't hit one.

RedsManRick · 04-07-2006, 01:55 PM

My favorite line regarding clutch: Clutch is something you do, nothing something you are.

M2 · 04-07-2006, 02:03 PM

Clutch is to the left of the brake.

TheGARB · 04-07-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

My favorite line regarding clutch: Clutch is something you do, nothing something you are.

I thought Clutch was "a writer and pilot with a muscular build, white hair and rugged good looks".

BCubb2003 · 04-07-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGARB

I thought Clutch was "a writer and pilot with a muscular build, white hair and rugged good looks".

For some reason, that cartoon was the most terrifying thing to me as a baby.

M2 · 04-07-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BCubb2003

For some reason, that cartoon was the most terrifying thing to me as a baby.

Yeah, but baby's are scared of everything.

Plus, they never have your back in a bar fight.

vaticanplum · 04-07-2006, 02:26 PM

Clutch is the bane of my existence, because I believe in it and I love it, but I know there's no way I can justify it with facts. In that sense, it is similar to my love for the Reds themselves.

Blimpie · 04-07-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Highlifeman21

The umps were more clutch by reversing that call for Dunn's flair to center where they initially called it a catch by Duffy.

For the record, I think 479 feet for Dunn's HR is a small estimate.

That "flair" was still a base hit--both before and after the call was reversed...in the bottom of the 8th of a tie game...with a 1-2 count against him. Just sayin'

Blimpie · 04-07-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by M2

Clutch is to the left of the brake.

My dad always called that the "parking brake"

04-07-2006, 01:39 AM	#1
BCubb2003 Haunted by walks Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Syracuse Posts: 6,305	The ongoing search for clutch Baseball Prospectus readers may be familiar with this already, but here's an article at ESPN about clutch hitters. It's an excerpt from the BP book. It discusses Tony Perez but doesn't draw any conclusions about him. It does name the best clutch hitter since 1972, however. One other thing. It says a lead-off out is more than twice as costly as the last out of an inning. I think I know what they're getting at, but I'd think the last out of an inning would be infinitely costly. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...t&lid=tab4pos2

04-07-2006, 01:41 AM	#2
Dom Heffner Potential Lunch Winner Join Date: May 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 5,666	Re: The ongoing search for clutch I wonder what part of the brain the clutch skill lives in. __________________ If you're watchin' a parade, make sure you stand in one spot, don't follow it, it never changes. And if the parade is boring, run in the opposite direction, you will fast-foward the parade. --Mitch Hedberg

04-07-2006, 02:29 AM	#3
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,742	Re: The ongoing search for clutch Last guy I want to pitch to with a runner on base is Manny Ramirez...but thats just my opinion. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

04-07-2006, 03:09 AM	#5
WMR GR8NESS Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 16,910	Re: The ongoing search for clutch dunn was clutch last nite

04-07-2006, 01:18 PM	#7
BCubb2003 Haunted by walks Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Syracuse Posts: 6,305	Re: The ongoing search for clutch Skeptics would point out that Dunn struck out with a runner on first, flied out with the bases loaded, and grounded out with a runner on second. Believers would point out that as the game got close and late, he came through. I expect him to hit at least 50 homers this year and drive people crazy every time he doesn't hit one.

04-07-2006, 01:55 PM	#8
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Re: The ongoing search for clutch My favorite line regarding clutch: Clutch is something you do, nothing something you are. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

04-07-2006, 02:03 PM	#9
M2 Posting in Dynarama Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 26,668	Re: The ongoing search for clutch Clutch is to the left of the brake. __________________ Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong I'm witchcrafting everybody.

04-07-2006, 02:26 PM	#13
vaticanplum Has big taste Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 6,704	Re: The ongoing search for clutch Clutch is the bane of my existence, because I believe in it and I love it, but I know there's no way I can justify it with facts. In that sense, it is similar to my love for the Reds themselves. __________________ There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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