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reds44 · 04-08-2006, 04:54 PM

Starters:
IP: 30.1
ER: 21
(Harang has 11)

Relievers:
13.2 IP
ER: 16 ER

The starters outside of Harang have been really good, but the bullpen has been god awful!

harangatang · 04-08-2006, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reds44

Starters:
IP: 30.1
ER: 21
(Harang has 11)

Relievers:
13.2 IP
ER: 16 ER

The starters outside of Harang have been really good, but the bullpen has been god awful!

Harang has been pretty good too, I thought he pitched awesome today, but he doesn't have anything to show for it(Thanks Burns). The Reds better be trading those catchers and middle infielders for some relievers or we're going to see a really good team be under .500.

reds44 · 04-08-2006, 05:00 PM

Wagner and Shack could be a temporary solution until you do make a trade also.

And I agree Harang pitched pretty well today.

PTBNL · 04-08-2006, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harangatang

Harang has been pretty good too, I thought he pitched awesome today, but he doesn't have anything to show for it(Thanks Burns).

Harang got the win.
What am I missing here? What did you mean to say?

reds44 · 04-08-2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PTBNL

Harang got the win.
What am I missing here? What did you mean to say?

He gave up 5 ERs today. He could have very easily had a QS.

Matt700wlw · 04-08-2006, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reds44

He gave up 5 ERs today. He could have very easily had a QS.

technically, by the rules of baseball stats, yes he did, but that wasn't all on him - Mike Burns pretty much blew it for him. Either Harang shouldn't have pitched the inning or should have been allowed to attempt to get out of his jam...neither happened.

Stats don't tell the whole story

reds44 · 04-08-2006, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

technically, by the rules of baseball stats, yes he did, but that wasn't all on him - Mike Burns pretty much blew it for him.

Stats don't tell the whole story

I know. Read the two posts above mine and you will understand my post better.

Matt700wlw · 04-08-2006, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reds44

I know. Read the two post above mine and you will understand my post better.

Ok...my bad.

Bobcat J · 04-08-2006, 05:10 PM

The way the bullpen has looked sort of makes me long to have Danny Graves back. He often got rocked, but he offset that with an occasional good outing. On the other hand, this pen has been like clockwork with giving up runs.

membengal · 04-08-2006, 05:11 PM

Of Harang's 11 runs allowed so far this year, the bullpen has allowed all five inherited runners of his to score, which is, to not put to fine a point on it, shameful.

Harang will be this team's ace, and the 10 Ks to 0 BBs today shows that it is underway already.

wheels · 04-08-2006, 05:11 PM

If anything, this opening week is more proof of how bad the relief corps really is.

There is no way the Reds continue at a winning clip if they're gonna need to score 7 runs per game.

harangatang · 04-08-2006, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PTBNL

Harang got the win.
What am I missing here? What did you mean to say?

I'll expand my statement to not only include the inability of Mike Burns to pitch. This bullpen SUCKS. Harang might have got the win today but if the bullpen continues to suck this bad, Harang will end up with more than the losses this bullpen handed him last year.

PTBNL · 04-08-2006, 05:33 PM

Oh yeah, I agree, this bullpen is equivalent or worse than the '04 A's pen.
And people are shocked and appalled that a starter wouldn't want to pitch here.

I just think you should look at it as a win, is a win, is a win.

Cross our fingers, hold our breath when need be, but hope HOPE someone DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT! SOON!

harangatang · 04-08-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PTBNL

I just think you should look at it as a win, is a win, is a win.

A win is a win and Harang won 11 games last year, but unforunately he could've won alot more. It's going to be a wonder if the bullpen doesn't cost us a win tomorrow, but what's going to happen when the Reds start playing better clubs than Pittsburgh?

Quote:

Cross our fingers, hold our breath when need be, but hope HOPE someone DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT! SOON!

Ditto, the Reds better be dealing some middle infielders and a catcher.

GridironGrace · 04-08-2006, 06:45 PM

Harang have a Little Pressure on him you think?

I think it could be the pressuer of #1 on him.. the EXPECTATIONS.

He's given up alot of runs but he's also struck out quite a few ppl.

I look for him to improve his ERA greatly once away from GAB for a bit

Seems like only runs being scored on him right now have been from HR's he's given up.. what?? prolly 8 or 9 of those 11 he's given up have been on HR's

04-08-2006, 05:10 PM	#9
Bobcat J Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Downtown Posts: 171	Re: Starters vs. Bullpen The way the bullpen has looked sort of makes me long to have Danny Graves back. He often got rocked, but he offset that with an occasional good outing. On the other hand, this pen has been like clockwork with giving up runs.

04-08-2006, 05:11 PM	#10
membengal Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Baltimore Posts: 8,380	Re: Starters vs. Bullpen Of Harang's 11 runs allowed so far this year, the bullpen has allowed all five inherited runners of his to score, which is, to not put to fine a point on it, shameful. Harang will be this team's ace, and the 10 Ks to 0 BBs today shows that it is underway already.

04-08-2006, 05:11 PM	#11
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,539	Re: Starters vs. Bullpen If anything, this opening week is more proof of how bad the relief corps really is. There is no way the Reds continue at a winning clip if they're gonna need to score 7 runs per game. __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

04-08-2006, 05:33 PM	#13
PTBNL Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 118	Re: Starters vs. Bullpen Oh yeah, I agree, this bullpen is equivalent or worse than the '04 A's pen. And people are shocked and appalled that a starter wouldn't want to pitch here. I just think you should look at it as a win, is a win, is a win. Cross our fingers, hold our breath when need be, but hope HOPE someone DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT! SOON!

04-08-2006, 06:45 PM	#15
GridironGrace Who Dey!! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Monticello, Kentucky Posts: 2,396	Re: Starters vs. Bullpen Harang have a Little Pressure on him you think? I think it could be the pressuer of #1 on him.. the EXPECTATIONS. He's given up alot of runs but he's also struck out quite a few ppl. I look for him to improve his ERA greatly once away from GAB for a bit Seems like only runs being scored on him right now have been from HR's he's given up.. what?? prolly 8 or 9 of those 11 he's given up have been on HR's __________________ Proud Member of "The Bengals Lair" http://www.uranking.com/vote.asp?member=45269 http://www.powerhouserock.net Somebody's gotta win and somebody's gotta lose and I believe in letting the other guy lose. - Pete Rose

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