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Join Date: May 2005
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Re: #1 All-Time Worst Hitter
Bill Bergen (catcher), 1901-1911
That dude had over 3,000 PA and put up a whopping career line of .170/.194/.201, good for a career OPS+ of 20. And yes, he did play for the Reds for three seasons from 1901-1903. Apparently Brooklyn found Bergen to be productive enough to purchase him from the Reds, and they held onto to him for eight seasons.
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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Re: #1 All-Time Worst Hitter
Who did he have pictures of?
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Join Date: Jun 2000
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The game loses fielding luster when hitting is at the apex, it becomes less important and less of a need when the conditions to create runs are more than convenient. Teams in the struggle to keep up with jones will sacrifice a little fielding in todays game for any increased offense. the payoff is larger due to the current conditions. When the parks where huge and the ball a wad of paper in a cowskin the game called for different skillsets, often making defense at a position extra important, especially when looking at the game 100 years later. In the deadball era a catcher made more assists on average, they had a waffle iron for a glove and the pitchers were doing everything to the ball before they threw it. IMO at no time was offense less important to a catcher as it was during the deadball era, with the 60's not far behind. Code:
CAREER 1900-1912 C GAMES displayed only--not a sorting criteria FIELDING PERCENTAGE displayed only--not a sorting criteria ASSISTS A G PCT 1 Johnny Kling 1458 1105 .971 2 Bill Bergen 1444 941 .972 3 Red Dooin 1421 1034 .956 4 Billy Sullivan 1288 1096 .977 5 Lou Criger 1109 789 .975 6 George Gibson 1001 859 .978 7 Pat Moran 990 696 .976 8 Roger Bresnahan 920 763 .969 9 Ossee Schreckengost 857 677 .973 10 John Warner 816 613 .975 ERRORS E G PCT 1 Red Dooin 289 1034 .956 2 Johnny Kling 201 1105 .971 3 Bill Bergen 161 941 .972 4 Billy Sullivan 142 1096 .977 5 Roger Bresnahan 138 763 .969 6 Ossee Schreckengost 137 677 .973 7 Frank Bowerman 131 644 .967 8 Lou Criger 123 789 .975 9 Admiral Schlei 111 561 .968 10 Deacon McGuire 110 509 .963 PASSED BALLS PB G PCT 1 Billy Sullivan 134 1096 .977 2 Red Dooin 123 1034 .956 3 Johnny Kling 120 1105 .971 4 Roger Bresnahan 109 763 .969 5 Frank Bowerman 107 644 .967 T6 Pat Moran 97 696 .976 T6 Lou Criger 97 789 .975 8 Bill Bergen 84 941 .972 9 George Gibson 79 859 .978 10 Ed Phelps 72 528 .969 |
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Join Date: May 2001
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Re: #1 All-Time Worst Hitter
I can understand why there are players like Perez and Castro in the majors; there's still a place for the slick-fielding backup middle infielder. Even in the current offensive era, there aren't enough good-hitting shortstops to go around. But unless their defense is Ozzie-like off-the-charts good, that doesn't mean you should give them a starting job or pay them like anything but the easily replaced part they are.
Guys like Neifi Perez stay in the big leagues and get paid more money because guys like Dusty Baker would rather have him than a kid who can do the same things for the league minimum but doesn't yet have the Proven Veteran Seal of Approval.
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Vampire Weekend @Bernie's
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Re: #1 All-Time Worst Hitter
Necro-bump alert. This thread's from 2006. At what point do we start to talk about Wilson Valdez? He has to be a worse hitter than many pitchers in the league. And in retrospect, it's funny to see Neifi Perez brought up seeing as how Dusty's the manager now.
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