Once again, a thread is closed with no explanation...

[max venable]

Guess I struck a nerve.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

[RANDY IN INDY]

Originally Posted by redsfan30

My question is this: If threads get closed because they are repetitive, cluttering and already served it's purpose, then why do the 10 threads that pop up every day about how "Marty sucks" or "George Grande sucks" stay open?

It's ok to continue to beat dead horses (and I do mean BEAT) just because it's the fashionalbe thing to do, but if a fun thread gets even the slightest big off topic it's closed??

I don't get that.

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by redsfan30
My question is this: If threads get closed because they are repetitive, cluttering and already served it's purpose, then why do the 10 threads that pop up every day about how "Marty sucks" or "George Grande sucks" stay open?

It's ok to continue to beat dead horses (and I do mean BEAT) just because it's the fashionalbe thing to do, but if a fun thread gets even the slightest big off topic it's closed??

I don't get that.

Because they are about baseball and because another "fun" thread (The last Post) dragged the site down last year to the point of the whole thing crashing.

But hey let's just keep complaining about it and maybe this one will get fun and slow the site down too!!

[macro]

Originally Posted by max venable

form of spam, huh? I'm sorry, but I don't get it. It's a very unique piece of Reds memorabilia that Redszoners, of all people, might have a genuine interest in.

It's one thing to close the thread...at least you gave an explanation...I appreciate that, but to edit the post, too? I got feedback and pm's from several 'zoners who appreciated being able to look at (and dream about) owning a piece like that.

So you're saying that if we find something very intresting related to our Reds on eBay, we can't link to it on Redzone to share the discovery, huh?

I don't get it.

I just think our mods get on power trips sometimes and it's frustrating to many of us.

Thanks for taking time to read this and let me voice my opinion.

There is a difference between providing a link to an ebay auction for the entertainment/curiosity value of it and starting a thread in hopes of bringing more bidders to one's own auction. This was no "discovery", max, these were your auctions. If your motivation was to inform the people here of unique/rare/interesting Reds-related items on ebay, there were surely many other auctions you could have linked to besides or in addition to your own.

I have occasionally posted links to Reds-related ebay auctions if the item is truly rare and unique. Just a couple of weeks ago I posted a link to an auction for a Crosley Field seat that brought well over $1,000. I wasn't selling it and I had serious doubts that anyone at RedsZone would have interest in shelling out over $1K for it. I just thought it was an interesting piece.

I will admit that allowing links to some auctions and not others opens up a potential gray area. For what it's worth, though, I really don't recall a thread about an ebay auction that has fallen into that gray area, this one included.

I certainly don't think you had any malice or ill-will in mind when you started the thread about your auctions, but I have a hard time believing that you started that thread simply because you thought those auctions were more interesting than anything else Reds-related on ebay.

[max venable]

So...bottom line, if I would have just said, "Hey guys, look at this cool thing I found on eBay," and not told anybody it was mine, everyone would be okay with that. But because I was upfront about it, even though it's a cool item, it gets whacked because it's mine.

Guess I know how to proceed next time.

[macro]

Originally Posted by max venable

So...bottom line, if I would have just said, "Hey guys, look at this cool thing I found on eBay," and not told anybody it was mine, everyone would be okay with that. But because I was upfront about it, even though it's a cool item, it gets whacked because it's mine.

Guess I know how to proceed next time.

Probably so, as unfortunate as that is. I admire that you were straightforward about it. But like paint said, it's something we're now talking about, so clear-cut guidelines may be put in place.

Your situation was the first one of its type that I recall. That doesn't mean that it has never happened, but I don't remember it or it slipped past without my realizing it. Others may very well have gotten away with the very type of deception that you speak of. If that's the case, they'll have to live with that. At least your conscience is clear in that you were honest.



I do hope your auctions turn out well and that you get some cash to go toward your bike, by the way. I'm partial to the Yamaha V-Star Classic, but I'll confess that there's nothing like a Harley. Or maybe you're shopping for a bullet bike? I don't remember.

[max venable]

Originally Posted by macro

I do hope your auctions turn out well and that you get some cash to go toward your bike, by the way. I'm partial to the Yamaha V-Star Classic, but I'll confess that there's nothing like a Harley. Or maybe you're shopping for a bullet bike? I don't remember.

Thanks macro, I'll try to post a pic of me with my bike after I get it.

I want a Harley, of course, but two things: 1. I just learned how to ride and I don't think I'm ready for a Harley, and 2. I can't afford one--yet (and I refuse to finance anything).

[The Baumer]

Originally Posted by macro

There is a difference between providing a link to an ebay auction for the entertainment/curiosity value of it and starting a thread in hopes of bringing more bidders to one's own auction. This was no "discovery", max, these were your auctions. If your motivation was to inform the people here of unique/rare/interesting Reds-related items on ebay, there were surely many other auctions you could have linked to besides or in addition to your own.

What you're saying makes sense in it's own context, but you can't apply it. Moderators can't read people's minds. The moment moderators start trying to guess a person's motivation and start telling others what they are thinking you get into messes similar to this one. A moderator's job is moderate threads that violate the board rules, not their personal set of rules or what they think the board rules should be.

It sounds like people are ragging on the mods, which is happening to an extent, but a lot of the counterpoints and excuses given by them in this thread have been inappropriate and do not fall under the responsibilities or privelages of a moderator. You don't just check your gut or say "I don't like this thread" and close it.

Also, in order to lower the "fun" of this thread and prevent it from crashing RedsZone, here is a sad jpeg.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by The Baumer

What you're saying makes sense in it's own context, but you can't apply it. Moderators can't read people's minds. The moment moderators start trying to guess a person's motivation and start telling others what they are thinking you get into messes similar to this one. A moderator's job is moderate threads that violate the board rules, not their personal set of rules or what they think the board rules should be.

It sounds like people are ragging on the mods, which is happening to an extent, but a lot of the counterpoints and excuses given by them in this thread have been inappropriate and do not fall under the responsibilities or privelages of a moderator. You don't just check your gut or say "I don't like this thread" and close it.

Also, in order to lower the "fun" of this thread and prevent it from crashing RedsZone, here is a sad jpeg.

So, would the situation be improved if ALL links to commercial sites/advertisements/spams were prohibited? It's an honest question.

Because selling your own stuff is definitely spamming. Sending someone to an auction that isn't your own may be spamming.

I say "none" of it should be allowed myself.

[The Baumer]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

So, would the situation be improved if ALL links to commercial sites/advertisements/spams were prohibited? It's an honest question.

Because selling your own stuff is definitely spamming. Sending someone to an auction that isn't your own may be spamming.

I say "none" of it should be allowed myself.

I say a clear rule has to be established, whether it be none, all, or some level in between that is able to be moderated (i.e. those who have been here a year and have contributed can post links to interesting eBay stuff). I just don't like the gut-feeling, "I think this thread should be closed" way of moderating. It leads to problems, especially if they take offense to posters taking offense.

[Boss-Hog]

There have been some interesting points raised here and I appreciate that. We're continuing our discussion on a set policy on this topic. Thanks.

[GridironGrace]

I've always like explinations of closed threads on forums i visit.
As a mod on a few other forums i know i give them.