So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

M2 · 04-21-2006, 02:08 AM

Now this is just me going out on a limb here, but the kid boasts a .288/.413/.577 statline and he's now on pace to score and drive in 150 runs.

And I'm thinking I could live with that.

pedro · 04-21-2006, 02:31 AM

That bat speed don't lie.

pedro · 04-21-2006, 02:35 AM

I really like the fact he's got 8 walks already.

pedro · 04-21-2006, 02:39 AM

I'm also very encouraged by how well he's doing against RH pitching.

Actually, his splits across the board are really nice.

SteelSD · 04-21-2006, 02:40 AM

I was on record over a year ago noting that Encarnacion's Error rate may place him at a position other than 3B.

At this point, his play has demonstrated that he can cover the 3B position very well even with his errant throws due to his range. I expect his aim to consistently improve as he gets more reps at the MLB level.

What I'm most enamoured with is his ability to identify Balls and Strikes thusfar. I expected Felipe Lopez to do so, but didn't expect Encarnacion to do it at his young age.

At this point, I'm ecstatic at Encarnacion's development and I hope he holds down the 3B position for the next decade. We may actually have a highly productive guy who can play that position for the first time in what seems like decades.

To everyone who was less concerned about his defense than I: Good call.

M2 · 04-21-2006, 02:57 AM

Through his first 81 games in MLB, he had committed 16 errors at 3B. That would be 32 errors over a full season. That's on the high side, but it's on the acceptably high side for a kid with big range and a good bat.

Plus, one thing I think you can reasonably count on in baseball is that young players with actual defensive skills will cut down their error rates over time. I know I've cut down my error rate as I've matured. Got my second marriage totally right.

Ravenlord · 04-21-2006, 05:27 AM

also gotta love the 3.84 P/PA this year, and the 3.96 P/PA for his brief MLB career.

OnBaseMachine · 04-21-2006, 06:48 AM

Nice post, M2. As impressive as that .288/.413/.577 statline is, you what impresses me the most? How about that 10 walk/9 strikeout ratio he has in just 63 plate appearances. Plus the kid already has nine extra-base hits.

Encarnacion is going to be a lot better than most people thought he would be. Think Scott Rolen.

MrCinatit · 04-21-2006, 07:51 AM

I would be very happy if he was a Craig Nettles-type player, with a bit of a higher average.
But then again, that is because I always did like Nettles.

RFS62 · 04-21-2006, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by M2

I know I've cut down my error rate as I've matured. Got my second marriage totally right.

Yeah, that's been my experience too. Something about that first trip to the bigs when you aren't really ready for it.

Red in Chicago · 04-21-2006, 08:21 AM

i think if we had a better fielding first baseman, it would also help ee...imagine having a derrick lee type over there rather than hatte...i'm shocked at how bad he appears to be...

Redmachine2003 · 04-21-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Red in Chicago

i think if we had a better fielding first baseman, it would also help ee...imagine having a derrick lee type over there rather than hatte...i'm shocked at how bad he appears to be...

Or at least a bigger target. Dunn would of had at least 3 of those ER's of EE, with his longer reach and higher reach.

flyer85 · 04-21-2006, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M2

Now this is just me going out on a limb here, but the kid boasts a .288/.413/.577 statline and he's now on pace to score and drive in 150 runs.

And I'm thinking I could live with that.

He may not be scrappy enough, he did walk with the bases loaded last night.

lollipopcurve · 04-21-2006, 09:33 AM

For his last year or two in the minors I suspected he was better than the ballyhooed Andy Marte. So far, so good.

flyer85 · 04-21-2006, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

For his last year or two in the minors I suspected he was better than the ballyhooed Andy Marte. So far, so good.

EE had a better AAA season last year than Marte. There is one HUGE difference. EE was not a Braves prospect.

04-21-2006, 02:08 AM	#1
M2 Posting in Dynarama Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 26,809	So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck Now this is just me going out on a limb here, but the kid boasts a .288/.413/.577 statline and he's now on pace to score and drive in 150 runs. And I'm thinking I could live with that. __________________ Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong I'm witchcrafting everybody.

04-21-2006, 02:31 AM	#2
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04-21-2006, 02:35 AM	#3
pedro Please come again Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,716	Re: So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck I really like the fact he's got 8 walks already. __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

04-21-2006, 02:39 AM	#4
pedro Please come again Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,716	Re: So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck I'm also very encouraged by how well he's doing against RH pitching. Actually, his splits across the board are really nice. __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

04-21-2006, 02:40 AM	#5
SteelSD Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,025	Re: So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck I was on record over a year ago noting that Encarnacion's Error rate may place him at a position other than 3B. At this point, his play has demonstrated that he can cover the 3B position very well even with his errant throws due to his range. I expect his aim to consistently improve as he gets more reps at the MLB level. What I'm most enamoured with is his ability to identify Balls and Strikes thusfar. I expected Felipe Lopez to do so, but didn't expect Encarnacion to do it at his young age. At this point, I'm ecstatic at Encarnacion's development and I hope he holds down the 3B position for the next decade. We may actually have a highly productive guy who can play that position for the first time in what seems like decades. To everyone who was less concerned about his defense than I: Good call. __________________ "The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer "The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.” --Ted Williams

04-21-2006, 02:57 AM	#6
M2 Posting in Dynarama Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 26,809	Re: So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck Through his first 81 games in MLB, he had committed 16 errors at 3B. That would be 32 errors over a full season. That's on the high side, but it's on the acceptably high side for a kid with big range and a good bat. Plus, one thing I think you can reasonably count on in baseball is that young players with actual defensive skills will cut down their error rates over time. I know I've cut down my error rate as I've matured. Got my second marriage totally right. __________________ Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong I'm witchcrafting everybody.

04-21-2006, 05:27 AM	#7
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04-21-2006, 06:48 AM	#8
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,692	Re: So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck Nice post, M2. As impressive as that .288/.413/.577 statline is, you what impresses me the most? How about that 10 walk/9 strikeout ratio he has in just 63 plate appearances. Plus the kid already has nine extra-base hits. Encarnacion is going to be a lot better than most people thought he would be. Think Scott Rolen. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

04-21-2006, 07:51 AM	#9
MrCinatit Baseball card addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Piqua Posts: 4,428	Re: So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck I would be very happy if he was a Craig Nettles-type player, with a bit of a higher average. But then again, that is because I always did like Nettles. __________________ whisper words of wisdom I wrote a book! My AmazonShort My other AmazonShort

04-21-2006, 08:21 AM	#11
Red in Chicago Oy Vey! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,260	Re: So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck i think if we had a better fielding first baseman, it would also help ee...imagine having a derrick lee type over there rather than hatte...i'm shocked at how bad he appears to be...

04-21-2006, 09:33 AM	#14
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,584	Re: So I'm thinking Edwin Encarnacion might not suck For his last year or two in the minors I suspected he was better than the ballyhooed Andy Marte. So far, so good. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

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