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jmac · 04-18-2006, 07:08 PM

when reading most of your posts they concern joey votto.a power type guy who k's alot.
my question is why isnt guiterrez ever mentioned?
i dont know alot about him but one scouting report on him said he was an rbi machine.it said he "would" get runners home.last season he had 25 rbis in 100 ab's which would project to a 100 rbi season.
so is jesse a long time minor leagurer or what?is he too old to be considered a prospect or does votto just have better upside?

KronoRed · 04-18-2006, 07:09 PM

He's 27 and just hitting AAA, sounds like career minor league to me.

RedsIn07 · 04-18-2006, 07:14 PM

Votto has a bigger upside, more power and better BB rate. Plus Guiterrez being out all of last season coupled with the fact he was already old for the level doesnt help his stock either.

If you're gonna keep you're eye on a Guiterrez keep it on Tonys Guiterrez (High A) who hit for average last year and whose frame suggests he'll eventually hit for power too.

Aronchis · 04-18-2006, 07:19 PM

Votto is cherished on these boards as a "Dunn" type of hitter. When he struggled in high A last year after a smashing 2004 in Dayton, people had panic attacks.

I would say Votto has a fairly good ceiling with plate discipline, though, like Adam, he will K some. Votto and Dunn may finally drive Marty off to retirement

LoganBuck · 04-19-2006, 01:33 PM

Guiterrez, has been the oldest "prospect" every step along the way. I read about him in a sports illustrated as a face in the crowd a long time ago. He hit like 5 homers in a double header once in high school or college if I remember correctly, He was like 19 as a high school senior.

IslandRed · 04-19-2006, 01:37 PM

My guess is that next year's first baseman will be either Griffey or someone who's not in the Reds organization right now.

savafan · 04-19-2006, 01:49 PM

As for the future, I've said it before, and I'll repeat it now, remember the name Ben Mummy.

TexasRed · 04-19-2006, 07:42 PM

What ever happened with Rob Stratton? I see he is a starting OF for Louisville.... Wasn't he primarily at 1st last year in ST? His name has sure fallen off the radar.

Caveat Emperor · 04-19-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasRed

What ever happened with Rob Stratton? I see he is a starting OF for Louisville.... Wasn't he primarily at 1st last year in ST? His name has sure fallen off the radar.

He tore a tendon in his foot and that pretty much derailed last year. He's playing in Louisville now, but working to get his buzz back.

There was a lot of concern that he stopped striding with a new batting stance, and that the foot injury was a result of that odd stance -- I don't remember much more than that.

Nugget · 04-19-2006, 09:50 PM

Stratton was also a reserve outfielder in ST last yaer and much of his career has been in the outfield. I think the REDS did play him at 1B once or twice but the reports were that he had no idea what he was doing defensively at 1B.

OnBaseMachine · 04-20-2006, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by savafan

As for the future, I've said it before, and I'll repeat it now, remember the name Ben Mummy.

The same guy that hit .209/.331/.324 in Billings last year and is already 21 years old? It looks like the Reds don't think much of him considering he didn't start the year out in a full season league.

KronoRed · 04-20-2006, 02:35 PM

But he has that cool name.

Mario-Rijo · 04-20-2006, 06:28 PM

What about Ben Broussard. I think he would fit quite nicely. Granted he's basically a polished up version of Hatteberg at the plate, will be 30 yrs. old in september and isn't an impact player. But he's a solid defender (career .992 fldg %), gives you some pop (30 Dbls and 19 HR's in '05 in 466 AB's) and he won't break the bank (2.48 million this year). And I figure this guy might end up having a better career later in his life than earlier. I think he's good for 3 yrs. or so at around 2 mill a year.

This then gives us some time to find that ideal replacement or perhaps to even platoon him with Votto eventually. If he gives us a .260 avg. 25 hr's and 30 dbl's a year w/ solid defense for around 2-3 mill a year, that my friends is an absolute steal.

KySteveH · 04-23-2006, 11:35 PM

Edited...didn't realize this post by Mario-Rijo was serious. Thought it was yet another man crush on Ben Broussard.

04-18-2006, 07:08 PM	#1
jmac part of BBN Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,297	future 1 st baseman? when reading most of your posts they concern joey votto.a power type guy who k's alot. my question is why isnt guiterrez ever mentioned? i dont know alot about him but one scouting report on him said he was an rbi machine.it said he "would" get runners home.last season he had 25 rbis in 100 ab's which would project to a 100 rbi season. so is jesse a long time minor leagurer or what?is he too old to be considered a prospect or does votto just have better upside?

04-18-2006, 07:09 PM	#2
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: future 1 st baseman? He's 27 and just hitting AAA, sounds like career minor league to me. __________________ Go Gators!

04-18-2006, 07:14 PM	#3
RedsIn07 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 859	Re: future 1 st baseman? Votto has a bigger upside, more power and better BB rate. Plus Guiterrez being out all of last season coupled with the fact he was already old for the level doesnt help his stock either. If you're gonna keep you're eye on a Guiterrez keep it on Tonys Guiterrez (High A) who hit for average last year and whose frame suggests he'll eventually hit for power too. Last edited by RedsIn07; 04-18-2006 at 07:21 PM.

04-18-2006, 07:19 PM	#4
Aronchis Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,673	Re: future 1 st baseman? Votto is cherished on these boards as a "Dunn" type of hitter. When he struggled in high A last year after a smashing 2004 in Dayton, people had panic attacks. I would say Votto has a fairly good ceiling with plate discipline, though, like Adam, he will K some. Votto and Dunn may finally drive Marty off to retirement

04-19-2006, 01:33 PM	#5
LoganBuck I hate the Cubs Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,580	Re: future 1 st baseman? Guiterrez, has been the oldest "prospect" every step along the way. I read about him in a sports illustrated as a face in the crowd a long time ago. He hit like 5 homers in a double header once in high school or college if I remember correctly, He was like 19 as a high school senior. __________________ Whenever you get mad over a called strike or ball on a close pitch, it's the equivalent of being mad at the QB pump-faking one time before throwing a pass in your average NFL game. ---Caveat Emperor

04-19-2006, 01:37 PM	#6
IslandRed Charlie Brown All-Star Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mt. Juliet, TN Posts: 4,675	Re: future 1 st baseman? My guess is that next year's first baseman will be either Griffey or someone who's not in the Reds organization right now. __________________ "I don't have a baseball team, I have a theological seminary." -- Charlie Brown

04-19-2006, 01:49 PM	#7
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: future 1 st baseman? As for the future, I've said it before, and I'll repeat it now, remember the name Ben Mummy. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

04-19-2006, 07:42 PM	#8
TexasRed Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 40	Re: future 1 st baseman? What ever happened with Rob Stratton? I see he is a starting OF for Louisville.... Wasn't he primarily at 1st last year in ST? His name has sure fallen off the radar.

04-19-2006, 09:50 PM	#10
Nugget Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NorthEast Posts: 1,002	Re: future 1 st baseman? Stratton was also a reserve outfielder in ST last yaer and much of his career has been in the outfield. I think the REDS did play him at 1B once or twice but the reports were that he had no idea what he was doing defensively at 1B.

04-20-2006, 02:35 PM	#12
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: future 1 st baseman? But he has that cool name. __________________ Go Gators!

04-20-2006, 06:28 PM	#13
Mario-Rijo HOF CLASS OF '12 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Springfield, Ohio Posts: 8,989	Re: future 1 st baseman? What about Ben Broussard. I think he would fit quite nicely. Granted he's basically a polished up version of Hatteberg at the plate, will be 30 yrs. old in september and isn't an impact player. But he's a solid defender (career .992 fldg %), gives you some pop (30 Dbls and 19 HR's in '05 in 466 AB's) and he won't break the bank (2.48 million this year). And I figure this guy might end up having a better career later in his life than earlier. I think he's good for 3 yrs. or so at around 2 mill a year. This then gives us some time to find that ideal replacement or perhaps to even platoon him with Votto eventually. If he gives us a .260 avg. 25 hr's and 30 dbl's a year w/ solid defense for around 2-3 mill a year, that my friends is an absolute steal. __________________ 2008 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2009 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2010 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one." --Woody Hayes

04-23-2006, 11:35 PM	#14
KySteveH Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisville Posts: 545	Re: future 1 st baseman? Edited...didn't realize this post by Mario-Rijo was serious. Thought it was yet another man crush on Ben Broussard.

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