Poll: Who Plays Third In Late Innings? - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

RBA · 04-26-2006, 09:18 AM

For a few games now, Edwin Encarncion has been pulled in the late inning and Rich Aurilia been put in his place. Does this make any sense defensively?

Thank you

Comments are welcome.

Sorry for the typo; that last line should read: "Encarncion is better defensively than Rich Aurilia and he should stay put"

rdiersin · 04-26-2006, 09:23 AM

Defensively, no I don't think it does, but last night I thought it made sense since the pitcher was due to lead off the next inning. Narron could have replaced Phillips with Aurillia, though.

RBA · 04-26-2006, 09:25 AM

Sorry, I meant this to be in the Reds Live forum. But I'll just keep it here.

Hoosier Red · 04-26-2006, 09:34 AM

While Rich's range is a legitimate concern, until Edwin can more consistently keep his throws down, he'll continue to get pulled.

In terms of total bases, Rich's range(or lack there of) only costs the Reds one base(not getting to a base hit in the hole.)
If EE airmails a throw, it costs the Reds 2 bases.

TeamBoone · 04-26-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RBA

For a few games now, Edwin Encarncion has been pulled in the late inning and Rich Aurilia been put in his place. Does this make any sense defensively?

I don't know how many games this has happened but I do know that in at least two games this move was the result of a double switch, not hand-picking RA to replace EE late in the game merely for the sake of replacing him. Just luck of the draw (or lack thereof).

TOBTTReds · 04-26-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rdiersin

Defensively, no I don't think it does, but last night I thought it made sense since the pitcher was due to lead off the next inning. Narron could have replaced Phillips with Aurillia, though.

I'm sorry, but I dread Aurilia up the middle. Anyway, what's wrong with Phillips' defense? He's a very good fielder.

Joseph · 04-26-2006, 11:41 AM

I like Rich a lot more this season than I did last year, but he's not a late inning defensive replacement.

rdiersin · 04-26-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AvesIce51

I'm sorry, but I dread Aurilia up the middle. Anyway, what's wrong with Phillips' defense? He's a very good fielder.

Nothing. Did I say there was? It wasn't a statement about Phillips defense at all, but rather that he was last person to bat in the inning (EE second to last), i.e. it wasn't a defensive replacement. I like Phillips defense a lot.

gonelong · 04-26-2006, 12:04 PM

I think it's a stupid move for the long-run. EE needs to be out there late in the game, feel the pressure, and overcome it. To me that is something a person has to learn to some degree.

In the short-term I could probably argue either way, but I'd have EE out there.

GL

Ohioballplayer · 04-26-2006, 12:09 PM

Phillips has great defense, but at that point in time of last nights game was he not 0 fer?

Why take EE's bat out of the lineup when Phillips could not get it going last night.

Game ended up too close last night to take your hottest bat out of the lineup, but I do see the defensive flip-side.

TOBTTReds · 04-26-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rdiersin

Nothing. Did I say there was? It wasn't a statement about Phillips defense at all, but rather that he was last person to bat in the inning (EE second to last), i.e. it wasn't a defensive replacement. I like Phillips defense a lot.

My bad I was thinking you were saying replace Phillips with Rich for defensive purposes.

TOBTTReds · 04-26-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohioballplayer

Phillips has great defense, but at that point in time of last nights game was he not 0 fer?

Why take EE's bat out of the lineup when Phillips could not get it going last night.

Game ended up too close last night to take your hottest bat out of the lineup, but I do see the defensive flip-side.

He had a sac fly (I know that is still an "0 fer", but a good and productive AB), and then he had a single in the 9th i believe.

KronoRed · 04-26-2006, 02:37 PM

You do defensive replacement on people who need it, Edwin does not.

GAC · 04-27-2006, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rdiersin

Defensively, no I don't think it does, but last night I thought it made sense since the pitcher was due to lead off the next inning. Narron could have replaced Phillips with Aurillia, though.

Phillips "D" at 2B far surpasses anything Aurilia could dish up.

GAC · 04-27-2006, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KronoRed

You do defensive replacement on people who need it, Edwin does not.

I think everyone readily agrees that EE should be at 3B 99.9% of the time, and endure the growing pains (bad decisions) that go with it (8 errors in April).

But I've watched him make some very bad throws this year (and in the later innings) because of that immaturity.

I see no problem, in the late innings of a close game, and depending on who is pitching/who is A/B, of a defensive replacement at times, while he continues to learn.

View Poll Results: Should Rich Aurilia play 3rd in late innings?
Yes, he's a veteran and knows how to play the game	11	14.29%
Yes, because Edwin is just not ready to handle the pressure of late innings	9	11.69%
Edwin needs to be out there for his bat too.	18	23.38%
Encarncion is a better defensively than Rich Aurilia and he should stay put	39	50.65%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

04-26-2006, 09:18 AM	#1
RBA CELEBRATION TIME Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 13,939	Poll: Who Plays Third In Late Innings? For a few games now, Edwin Encarncion has been pulled in the late inning and Rich Aurilia been put in his place. Does this make any sense defensively? Thank you Comments are welcome. Sorry for the typo; that last line should read: "Encarncion is better defensively than Rich Aurilia and he should stay put" Last edited by RBA; 04-26-2006 at 09:23 AM.

04-26-2006, 09:23 AM	#2
rdiersin Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,192	Re: Poll: Who Plays Third In Late Innings? Defensively, no I don't think it does, but last night I thought it made sense since the pitcher was due to lead off the next inning. Narron could have replaced Phillips with Aurillia, though.

04-26-2006, 09:25 AM	#3
RBA CELEBRATION TIME Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 13,939	Re: Poll: Who Plays Third In Late Innings? Sorry, I meant this to be in the Reds Live forum. But I'll just keep it here.

04-26-2006, 09:34 AM	#4
Hoosier Red Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 6,853	Re: Poll: Who Plays Third In Late Innings? While Rich's range is a legitimate concern, until Edwin can more consistently keep his throws down, he'll continue to get pulled. In terms of total bases, Rich's range(or lack there of) only costs the Reds one base(not getting to a base hit in the hole.) If EE airmails a throw, it costs the Reds 2 bases. __________________ When people say that I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to sports or writing, I think: Man, you should see me in the rest of my life. ---Joe Posnanski

04-26-2006, 11:41 AM	#7
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,123	Re: Poll: Who Plays Third In Late Innings? I like Rich a lot more this season than I did last year, but he's not a late inning defensive replacement. __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

04-26-2006, 12:04 PM	#9
gonelong Score Early, Score Often Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,128	Re: Poll: Who Plays Third In Late Innings? I think it's a stupid move for the long-run. EE needs to be out there late in the game, feel the pressure, and overcome it. To me that is something a person has to learn to some degree. In the short-term I could probably argue either way, but I'd have EE out there. GL __________________ '02-'12 Prediction Thread Archive(s) ORG Compilation

04-26-2006, 12:09 PM	#10
Ohioballplayer Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hamersville Posts: 570	Re: Poll: Who Plays Third In Late Innings? Phillips has great defense, but at that point in time of last nights game was he not 0 fer? Why take EE's bat out of the lineup when Phillips could not get it going last night. Game ended up too close last night to take your hottest bat out of the lineup, but I do see the defensive flip-side. __________________ Bowled my 8th 300 game 01/31/2011. Nothing like bowling a 300 game

04-26-2006, 02:37 PM	#13
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,343	Re: Poll: Who Plays Third In Late Innings? You do defensive replacement on people who need it, Edwin does not. __________________ Go Gators!

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