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schroomytunes · 05-10-2006, 03:36 PM

As we know Pittsburgh is loaded with young pitching, but they are lack on position players so why not offer them this deal. They have put Oliver Perez on the block, and so far he is having another down year after a solid year in 04, this may be the time to get him cheap. So here's my proposal:

Reds trade: Brandon Claussen SP
BJ Symanski OF
Ryan Freel OF

Pirates trade: Oliver Perez SP

Thoughts?

KronoRed · 05-10-2006, 03:37 PM

Don't want Perez, I think he's torn something or he was just a 1 year wonder.

redsfan30 · 05-10-2006, 03:43 PM

He isn't anywhere close to being healthy. He was hitting the mid to upper 90's in 2004 and now can barely break 88 MPH.

flyer85 · 05-10-2006, 03:46 PM

His velocity has dropped 7-8mph in the last year, a sure sign of arm problems.

traderumor · 05-10-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flyer85

His velocity has dropped 7-8mph in the last year, a sure sign of arm problems.

Or juice.

boobhat · 05-10-2006, 03:56 PM

ill trade dave williams for him straight up

CTA513 · 05-10-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by traderumor

Or juice.

Ive seen some Pirates fans say they think he was on steriods.

traderumor · 05-10-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA513

Ive seen some Pirates fans say they think he was on steriods.

It is certainly plausible, but then it could be mental, mechanical (although that big a drop, a very unlikely explanation), or physical. The physical, time will tell. The steroid theory seems like a potshot, but significant drops in velocity with the busts in the minors of pitchers makes such a charge certainly founded.

Phhhl · 05-10-2006, 04:36 PM

Despite his struggles so far, it is arguable that Claussen alone has more upside than Perez right now. Never mind adding Symanski and Freel to the deal. Perez has been so bad for the last year and a half that I bet the Pirates would be close to releasing him if he were out of options.

That said, I wouldn't mind having him as a project. But, you don't give up much at all for him. If you wait long enough, he might end up on waivers.

captainmorgan07 · 05-10-2006, 08:45 PM

don't want perez he's horrible this year and has been declining rapidly

Krusty · 05-10-2006, 11:05 PM

How about Claussen and another player to the Nationals for RHP Livan Hernandez?

Johnny Footstool · 05-11-2006, 02:59 PM

Why trade a young, cheap pitcher with decent upside for an expensive, worn-down, hard-ridden Livan Hernandez?

Spitball · 05-11-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Krusty

How about Claussen and another player to the Nationals for RHP Livan Hernandez?

I think I'd go Claussen by himself for Hernandez and the cash difference or one of their relievers. They probably wouldn't bite, but that is what I'd be willing to accept.

KronoRed · 05-11-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Krusty

How about Claussen and another player to the Nationals for RHP Livan Hernandez?

No thanks, Livan is on the fast road to getting worse.

05-10-2006, 03:36 PM	#1
schroomytunes Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wilmington n.c. Posts: 928	another trade idea with Pittsburgh As we know Pittsburgh is loaded with young pitching, but they are lack on position players so why not offer them this deal. They have put Oliver Perez on the block, and so far he is having another down year after a solid year in 04, this may be the time to get him cheap. So here's my proposal: Reds trade: Brandon Claussen SP BJ Symanski OF Ryan Freel OF Pirates trade: Oliver Perez SP Thoughts?

05-10-2006, 03:37 PM	#2
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,343	Re: another trade idea with Pittsburgh Don't want Perez, I think he's torn something or he was just a 1 year wonder. __________________ Go Gators!

05-10-2006, 03:43 PM	#3
redsfan30 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,545	Re: another trade idea with Pittsburgh He isn't anywhere close to being healthy. He was hitting the mid to upper 90's in 2004 and now can barely break 88 MPH. __________________ "Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill

05-10-2006, 03:46 PM	#4
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: another trade idea with Pittsburgh His velocity has dropped 7-8mph in the last year, a sure sign of arm problems. __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

05-10-2006, 03:56 PM	#6
boobhat Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Newark, Ohio Posts: 146	Re: another trade idea with Pittsburgh ill trade dave williams for him straight up

05-10-2006, 04:36 PM	#9
Phhhl Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3,890	Re: another trade idea with Pittsburgh Despite his struggles so far, it is arguable that Claussen alone has more upside than Perez right now. Never mind adding Symanski and Freel to the deal. Perez has been so bad for the last year and a half that I bet the Pirates would be close to releasing him if he were out of options. That said, I wouldn't mind having him as a project. But, you don't give up much at all for him. If you wait long enough, he might end up on waivers.

05-10-2006, 08:45 PM	#10
captainmorgan07 got alil captain in u? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bridgeport Ohio Posts: 4,839	Re: another trade idea with Pittsburgh don't want perez he's horrible this year and has been declining rapidly

05-10-2006, 11:05 PM	#11
Krusty Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Williamsport, PA Posts: 12,311	Re: another trade idea with Pittsburgh How about Claussen and another player to the Nationals for RHP Livan Hernandez? __________________ If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.

05-11-2006, 02:59 PM	#12
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,667	Re: another trade idea with Pittsburgh Why trade a young, cheap pitcher with decent upside for an expensive, worn-down, hard-ridden Livan Hernandez? __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

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