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Raisor · 08-15-2002, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BuckeyeRed27
Man this is a tough crowd to please. We need a left handed starter very badly and we aquire an above average one for a small bag of peanuts and a water bottle that you purchase outside the stadium for less than it costs inside the stadium and everyone is less than impressed. Well I've already and said it and I'll say it again: Great move Jimbo.

ten minutes ago he was "a great starter" now he's "above average"

I hate to see what he'll be in an hour!

Anyway, I'd rather the Reds just start Chen then this goof.

Hope he proves me wrong (he is a former Mariner afterall)

PSR

Catch22 · 08-15-2002, 05:41 PM

Does anyone else think that the Mets letting go of Estes so easily had something to do with the big Yankees bean-ball fiasco a while back? I remember hearing at the time that he may have lost alot of respect from his teammates because of his non-bean ball. Could it be the case? The obvious points to the Mets trying to dump him while they can still get something for him, but I suspect there was something else to it.

Anyhow - good pick up by Bowden. Even if it is only for the rest of the season.

creek14 · 08-15-2002, 05:47 PM

Catch,

As Chris's second biggest fan on this board, I am not too happy about what this trade means for the possibility of seeing him back with the Reds any time soon.

VR · 08-15-2002, 05:52 PM

Two thoughts -

In response to Estes being soft - he's still a softy, he's just OUR softy now

In regards to Chen - is it just me, or is his situation becoming more and more similiar to Reyes' while he was a Red?

LvJ · 08-15-2002, 05:52 PM

Estes last 5 games:

He is 1-2, but thats because the Mets sucks.

6 IP, 7 IP, 7 IP, 7 IP, 7 IP, 3 IP

In all of those games, his highest hit total was 7 .. very good.

The 3 IP game was short because he walked 5, and gave up 1 grand slam, but other than that - it pitched well.

He can help us down the stretch, hey - atleast the management is trying to win .. thats 1 for 2, now lets see if the players try.

08-15-2002, 05:56 PM

Great move by Bowden. I like this move. I have followed the Giants awhile and firmly believe the Giants gave up on him.

He is young (he's 29 yrs old). And sometimes it takes awhile for someone like him to gain consistency in their game. Gullett is probably the only one who can teach him this.

If anything, in the last several months we have added some good people to our pitching staff (Dempster, Moehler, and Chen) and now Estes.

Bowden is cleverly building this team up for a late run for this year and..... gearing up next year and beyond.

Go Reds!!!

PuffyPig · 08-15-2002, 05:57 PM

Well, he has a 2.70 ERA in his last 5 starts. He's an experienced starter, and could certainly pitch well down the stretch. He's a lefty to boot. The fact we gave up 4 prospects probably means none were to highly regarded (quantity over quality). Good job Bowden, again.

top6 · 08-15-2002, 05:59 PM

It's possible that the Mets had an agreement worked out to trade Estes w/ someone else and the Reds claimed him on waivers. If that was the case, the Mets could either keep him and get nothing for him or pay his salary and give him to the Reds, but still get something in return.

Steve4192 · 08-15-2002, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by letsgojunior
I was one of the people who said Estes had no guts. However, he has always had major POTENTIAL, he has just never harnessed it. However, I think a few sessions with Gully could go a long way with a guy like him.

I agree.

That said, most of Gullett's success stories have been guys with a bulldog mentality who had solid command but came up a little short in the stuff category. Estes is the polar opposite of the 'Gullett type', in that he wilts under pressure and has terrible command. We could see another Tomko/Bell meltdown as Estes withers under Don's iron fist.

Hopefully, the Sherriff can work with Estes and turn him into 'Schourek part deux'. I'll be rooting for 'em, but I won't be holding my breath.

Falls City Beer · 08-15-2002, 06:11 PM

"He's still soft and gutless, and the Reds are too far back for this to make any difference."

Yep.

red-in-la · 08-15-2002, 06:12 PM

Over the last 4 years, Estes has a 9 plus ERA against the Cards. So I am not sure why it is so important to have a LH starter of his ilk against them.

Seems to me, that I could manage a 9 plus ERA and I am RH.

Also, NOBODY has yet mentioned that Estes had to pass waivers to be traded to the Reds....that means that not onloy did every other ML team NOT want him, but the Cards and the "stros weren't at all worried about the Reds getting him.

At the same time, I don't see him being any worse than Chuck Finley and the Cards did back-flips when they got him.

08-15-2002, 06:14 PM

Who would have known the Reds would have picked up 3 legit starters.

But listen to this.

We need an ace. A-C-E

Bartolo Colon was there and we missed out on a 6 million dollar salary for an ace in 2003.

We need an ace.

But a good move. Shrewd and good.

Estes will be a godsend the rest of the way!

Way to go Jim Bowden.

Did any of you dream of the Reds aquiring 3 starters?

Of course, I would have rather had Weaver and Colon, but on a beer budget, we did ok.

Reds4Life · 08-15-2002, 06:16 PM

Put me in the Estes=Blech column. But I give Bowden credit, he is doing everything he can with no support from ownership.

oregonred · 08-15-2002, 06:18 PM

This one came out of the blue. Looks like Finley but for much less cost.

Look ok by me. Picking up a lefty starter for beer money. Get a couple of draft picks (maybe) when he walks in FA that should be better than anything given up in the deal.

Estes did just pitch a shutout against Houston (7IP and 2 hits) a couple weeks ago.

The "Should Be" Rotation Until Elmer Returns

Dempster
Haynes
Reitsma
Estes
Moehler

Elmer takes the spot of whomever is sucking wind most.

LvJ · 08-15-2002, 06:21 PM

I would have it this way..

Dempster
Estes
Reitsma
Moehler
Haynes

08-15-2002, 05:41 PM	#32
Catch22 Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Calgary Posts: 350	Does anyone else think that the Mets letting go of Estes so easily had something to do with the big Yankees bean-ball fiasco a while back? I remember hearing at the time that he may have lost alot of respect from his teammates because of his non-bean ball. Could it be the case? The obvious points to the Mets trying to dump him while they can still get something for him, but I suspect there was something else to it. Anyhow - good pick up by Bowden. Even if it is only for the rest of the season. __________________ "Time to Condense the Nonsense" Terrible Terry Tate - Office Linebacker

08-15-2002, 05:47 PM	#33
creek14 Dunnilicious Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Beavercreek Posts: 11,774	Catch, As Chris's second biggest fan on this board, I am not too happy about what this trade means for the possibility of seeing him back with the Reds any time soon. __________________ Will trade this space for a #1 starter.

08-15-2002, 05:52 PM	#34
VR Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Vancouver, Wa Posts: 8,211	Two thoughts - In response to Estes being soft - he's still a softy, he's just OUR softy now In regards to Chen - is it just me, or is his situation becoming more and more similiar to Reyes' while he was a Red? __________________ “Our team is a team full of fighters. They never panic. We don't necessarily get all the hits we want all the time, but we find a way to win.” – Dusty Baker

08-15-2002, 05:52 PM	#35
LvJ Time is the Revelator. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 7,276	Estes last 5 games: He is 1-2, but thats because the Mets sucks. 6 IP, 7 IP, 7 IP, 7 IP, 7 IP, 3 IP In all of those games, his highest hit total was 7 .. very good. The 3 IP game was short because he walked 5, and gave up 1 grand slam, but other than that - it pitched well. He can help us down the stretch, hey - atleast the management is trying to win .. thats 1 for 2, now lets see if the players try. __________________ Hide your power alleys; Hide your wife

08-15-2002, 06:12 PM	#41
red-in-la Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Santa Paula, CA Posts: 6,536	Over the last 4 years, Estes has a 9 plus ERA against the Cards. So I am not sure why it is so important to have a LH starter of his ilk against them. Seems to me, that I could manage a 9 plus ERA and I am RH. Also, NOBODY has yet mentioned that Estes had to pass waivers to be traded to the Reds....that means that not onloy did every other ML team NOT want him, but the Cards and the "stros weren't at all worried about the Reds getting him. At the same time, I don't see him being any worse than Chuck Finley and the Cards did back-flips when they got him. __________________ "Is there a problem officers?"

08-15-2002, 05:56 PM	#36
NorCalRedsFan Guest Posts: n/a	Great move by Bowden. I like this move. I have followed the Giants awhile and firmly believe the Giants gave up on him. He is young (he's 29 yrs old). And sometimes it takes awhile for someone like him to gain consistency in their game. Gullett is probably the only one who can teach him this. If anything, in the last several months we have added some good people to our pitching staff (Dempster, Moehler, and Chen) and now Estes. Bowden is cleverly building this team up for a late run for this year and..... gearing up next year and beyond. Go Reds!!!

08-15-2002, 05:57 PM	#37
PuffyPig Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,694	Well, he has a 2.70 ERA in his last 5 starts. He's an experienced starter, and could certainly pitch well down the stretch. He's a lefty to boot. The fact we gave up 4 prospects probably means none were to highly regarded (quantity over quality). Good job Bowden, again.

08-15-2002, 05:59 PM	#38
top6 Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: cincinnati Posts: 1,637	It's possible that the Mets had an agreement worked out to trade Estes w/ someone else and the Reds claimed him on waivers. If that was the case, the Mets could either keep him and get nothing for him or pay his salary and give him to the Reds, but still get something in return.

08-15-2002, 06:11 PM	#40
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	"He's still soft and gutless, and the Reds are too far back for this to make any difference." Yep.

08-15-2002, 06:14 PM	#42
J-Rod Guest Posts: n/a	3 STARTERS Who would have known the Reds would have picked up 3 legit starters. But listen to this. We need an ace. A-C-E Bartolo Colon was there and we missed out on a 6 million dollar salary for an ace in 2003. We need an ace. But a good move. Shrewd and good. Estes will be a godsend the rest of the way! Way to go Jim Bowden. Did any of you dream of the Reds aquiring 3 starters? Of course, I would have rather had Weaver and Colon, but on a beer budget, we did ok.

08-15-2002, 06:16 PM	#43
Reds4Life Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 3,918	Put me in the Estes=Blech column. But I give Bowden credit, he is doing everything he can with no support from ownership.

08-15-2002, 06:18 PM	#44
oregonred "So Fla Red" Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: South Florida - The Real Humidor Posts: 4,470	This one came out of the blue. Looks like Finley but for much less cost. Look ok by me. Picking up a lefty starter for beer money. Get a couple of draft picks (maybe) when he walks in FA that should be better than anything given up in the deal. Estes did just pitch a shutout against Houston (7IP and 2 hits) a couple weeks ago. The "Should Be" Rotation Until Elmer Returns Dempster Haynes Reitsma Estes Moehler Elmer takes the spot of whomever is sucking wind most.

08-15-2002, 06:21 PM	#45
LvJ Time is the Revelator. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 7,276	I would have it this way.. Dempster Estes Reitsma Moehler Haynes __________________ Hide your power alleys; Hide your wife

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