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Krusty · 06-13-2006, 09:32 AM

Not knocking the new GM because all his moves have been golden. But let's face it, he needs to move now instead of waiting till the July trading deadline. The bullpen is a mess and the Reds need to make a move to acquire two relievers.

So who can the Reds trade that can shore up this area? How about Adam Dunn? Yeah, yeah I can hear it now....here we go again. But let's be honest, Dunn is the most marketable commodity that can bring the most in return. If Dunn was dealt, you could shift Griffey to LF and insert Denorifia in CF. If Griffey isn't receptive to this idea till after the season, then you play Denorfia in LF knowing that the outfield defense is upgraded.

So who would be interested in Dunn and can shore up the Reds bullpen?

registerthis · 06-13-2006, 09:34 AM

I would never - under any circumstances - trade Dunn for a bullpen arm(s).

Krusty · 06-13-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by registerthis

I would never - under any circumstances - trade Dunn for a bullpen arm(s).

Hey, I value the bullpen more than starting pitching. You don't think the 1990 Reds would have won the World Series without the Nasty Boys?

If Dunn can net us two or three arms to bolster the bullpen for now and the future, you have to consider it.

dabvu2498 · 06-13-2006, 09:38 AM

Just guessing here, but I'd say we may have to ride with what we have for the rest of the year. I'm betting that the new administration will be content with possibly contending this season, possibly not... but not devaluing any of the offensive talent in trade during the season and then trying to make hay with free agent arms in the off season.

Kc61 · 06-13-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Krusty

Not knocking the new GM because all his moves have been golden. But let's face it, he needs to move now instead of waiting till the July trading deadline. The bullpen is a mess and the Reds need to make a move to acquire two relievers.

So who can the Reds trade that can shore up this area? How about Adam Dunn? Yeah, yeah I can hear it now....here we go again. But let's be honest, Dunn is the most marketable commodity that can bring the most in return. If Dunn was dealt, you could shift Griffey to LF and insert Denorifia in CF. If Griffey isn't receptive to this idea till after the season, then you play Denorfia in LF knowing that the outfield defense is upgraded.

So who would be interested in Dunn and can shore up the Reds bullpen?

We are really way ahead of ourselves on Mr. Denorfia. He is a high BA, good OBP, low power hitter at the AAA level. He is a good fielder but I recall reading that he might be better suited to a corner in the outfield.

I think he has earned a major league spot somewhere. But as Dunn's full time replacement in the lineup?

I would like to see Deno succeed, but his rightful position, at this point, is as a fourth outfielder. Most likely, I think, is that he is trade bait for the pen, not Adam Dunn.

Krusty · 06-13-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

We are really way ahead of ourselves on Mr. Denorfia. He is a high BA, good OBP, low power hitter at the AAA level. He is a good fielder but I recall reading that he might be better suited to a corner in the outfield.

I think he has earned a major league spot somewhere. But as Dunn's full time replacement in the lineup?

I would like to see Deno succeed, but his rightful position, at this point, is as a fourth outfielder. Most likely, I think, is that he is trade bait for the pen, not Adam Dunn.

I don't know about that. Seems Krivsky values defense highly. And despite Dunn's success for hitting home runs when the game isn't on the line, his defense in LF has everyone kicking the dog.

As I said, Dunn is the commodity that can net the most in return.

Heath · 06-13-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Krusty

Hey, I value the bullpen more than starting pitching. You don't think the 1990 Reds would have won the World Series without the Nasty Boys?

If Dunn can net us two or three arms to bolster the bullpen for now and the future, you have to consider it.

Dunn better net us more than "two-to-three" bullpen arms.

Most bullypen guys are usually tossed to the fire as trial and error. Sometimes they are guys who've washed out and recycled. I don't mind DFA's in this case since they can't be any worse than they already have.

I am against trading Adam Dunn period. Unless it brings us a starting ace.

westofyou · 06-13-2006, 10:05 AM

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If Dunn can net us two or three arms to bolster the bullpen for now and the future, you have to consider it.

Ughhh

No respect.

BTW how many middle relivers (or closers for that matter) can you pencil in for 2-3 good seasons in a row?

Give away Dunn for some magic beans if you want.

But don't cry when your vines die.

Z-Fly · 06-13-2006, 10:07 AM

To make a move to just make a move doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I agree the bullpen is weak but I think most teams are. What team, that is not in playoff contention, is going to take on salary and have quality young arms in return?

registerthis · 06-13-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Krusty

If Dunn can net us two or three arms to bolster the bullpen for now and the future, you have to consider it.

A good middle reliever is valuable, but shouldn't be that difficult to find--and should be had for less than the cost of a player like Dunn.

flyer85 · 06-13-2006, 10:33 AM

trade Dunn for bullpen help, now that is a good idea

osuceltic · 06-13-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Krusty

I don't know about that. Seems Krivsky values defense highly. And despite Dunn's success for hitting home runs when the game isn't on the line, his defense in LF has everyone kicking the dog.

As I said, Dunn is the commodity that can net the most in return.

I'm all for using Dunn to improve the team, but it has to be more than a couple of bullpen arms.

I was trying to remember what the package was that the Astros reportedly were offering for Dunn last season. Does anyone remember? There were four names -- a couple of big leaguers and a couple of minor leaguers.

flyer85 · 06-13-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Krusty

Hey, I value the bullpen more than starting pitching.

Guys who pitch less are intrinsically more valuable than guys who pitch 150% more. Hmmm, I'll have to ponder that logic for a while.

BigJohn · 06-13-2006, 11:02 AM

Why wouldn't they be? They are expected to pitch every day and not every 5th day. A starting pitcher could have a second job if he wanted to!

Steve4192 · 06-13-2006, 11:05 AM

Sorry, I just couldn't let this little gem slide by....

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Originally Posted by Krusty

despite Dunn's success for hitting home runs when the game isn't on the line

Is that you Marty?

Shouldn't you be off filming a Kroger commercial or something?

06-13-2006, 09:32 AM	#1
Krusty Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Williamsport, PA Posts: 12,311	Krivsky Needs To Make A Move Now Not knocking the new GM because all his moves have been golden. But let's face it, he needs to move now instead of waiting till the July trading deadline. The bullpen is a mess and the Reds need to make a move to acquire two relievers. So who can the Reds trade that can shore up this area? How about Adam Dunn? Yeah, yeah I can hear it now....here we go again. But let's be honest, Dunn is the most marketable commodity that can bring the most in return. If Dunn was dealt, you could shift Griffey to LF and insert Denorifia in CF. If Griffey isn't receptive to this idea till after the season, then you play Denorfia in LF knowing that the outfield defense is upgraded. So who would be interested in Dunn and can shore up the Reds bullpen? __________________ If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.

06-13-2006, 09:34 AM	#2
registerthis Harry Chiti Fan Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5,872	Re: Krivsky Needs To Make A Move Now I would never - under any circumstances - trade Dunn for a bullpen arm(s). __________________ We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

06-13-2006, 09:38 AM	#4
dabvu2498 Yay! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Middletown, Ohio Posts: 7,262	Re: Krivsky Needs To Make A Move Now Just guessing here, but I'd say we may have to ride with what we have for the rest of the year. I'm betting that the new administration will be content with possibly contending this season, possibly not... but not devaluing any of the offensive talent in trade during the season and then trying to make hay with free agent arms in the off season. __________________ When all is said and done more is said than done.

06-13-2006, 10:07 AM	#9
Z-Fly Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 414	Re: Krivsky Needs To Make A Move Now To make a move to just make a move doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I agree the bullpen is weak but I think most teams are. What team, that is not in playoff contention, is going to take on salary and have quality young arms in return?

06-13-2006, 10:33 AM	#11
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Krivsky Needs To Make A Move Now trade Dunn for bullpen help, now that is a good idea __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

06-13-2006, 11:02 AM	#14
BigJohn Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 520	Re: Krivsky Needs To Make A Move Now Why wouldn't they be? They are expected to pitch every day and not every 5th day. A starting pitcher could have a second job if he wanted to!

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