Narron blaming fans and media for switching Coffey to closer?

[flyer85]

Originally Posted by NewEraReds

its one thing to have a problem, its another to be able to solve it. ... but who is out there that they can get right now that is any better than what they have already? i dont know, i just have to think few if any.

It all depends what one is willing to pay. A trade for a guy, bringing up a Shafer and giving Belisle a more important role could possibly go a long way to making things better.

[KronoRed]

Get rid of the save stat, just give all the relievers that Hold one

[Jpup]

blame DanO.

[NewEraReds]

Originally Posted by flyer85

It all depends what one is willing to pay. A trade for a guy, bringing up a Shafer and giving Belisle a more important role could possibly go a long way to making things better.

i agree, i just havent heard of any good relievers being available and i am iffy on bringing up schaefer. i dont want to rush. i get the feeling neither does krivsky. he brings up guys when they are completely ready. i agree on belisle though. id have him pitching over a lot of what we have

What happened to the days of having relievers work more than *gasp* .. 1 inning?? Or ... OMG .. even not putting in a pitcher every other out for a batting matchup? What I don't understand is why managers put in pitchers that are crap .. and even with matchup advantages they aren't better than good pitchers in a matchup disadvantage situation.

[blumj]

Originally Posted by GOREDSGO32

What happened to the days of having relievers work more than *gasp* .. 1 inning?? Or ... OMG .. even not putting in a pitcher every other out for a batting matchup? What I don't understand is why managers put in pitchers that are crap .. and even with matchup advantages they aren't better than good pitchers in a matchup disadvantage situation.

Because all they have for middle relief is crap with certain platoon split advantages. Otherwise, for the most part, those pitchers would be starters or closers. I guess you see more multi-inning relief stints in the AL, but the pitcher has to be good enough to keep getting guys out over multiple innings consistently, so they usually wind up as starters or closers, too.

Narron could also eliminate these problems if he would quit trying to push his starters to the point where they need help to get out of a jam. As soon as it is clear to everyone else that a starter is starting to lose it, Narron has to go 2 or 3 more batters until he decides to make a move. He also does this with relievers, I recall one game where it was clear Belisle gave us 3 stellar innings, but Narron wanted 4. And sure enough, there was a meltdown. I remember wondering if Narron was pushing Belisle a bit because he planned on starting him, but nope, it was just Narron being Narron.

[MrCinatit]

IMO, if Narron is basing his decisions on what the media and fans are telling him to do, then he is the wrong man for a management job.

[Chip R]

Originally Posted by GOREDSGO32

What happened to the days of having relievers work more than *gasp* .. 1 inning?? Or ... OMG .. even not putting in a pitcher every other out for a batting matchup? What I don't understand is why managers put in pitchers that are crap .. and even with matchup advantages they aren't better than good pitchers in a matchup disadvantage situation.

We had a thread on here last week about people being worried that Coffey was on pace to pitch 100 innings. So it looks like people want him to pitch more than 1 inning and not pitch too much. If we put Coffey in every game when we needed him, his arm would fall off by August.

I agree the solution is to get better options than Yan and White. Hopefully the return of Belisle can bridge the gap between the starters and Coffey. But he cannot pitch every game either.

I do not think that using a guy for just the 9th inning is the best situation either but whether you use Coffey in the 6th, 7th, 8th or 9th inning, someone else is going to have to pitch the other innings. And I do not like the current choices we have now.

[Willy]

This is exactly why that 1990 team was so special. No one can predict when you are going to need your best reliever, so you need more than ONE reliable reliever.
Charlton, Dibble, and Myers this club has Coffey and ???

This will be the 2006 Reds achilles heel until they can find some more arms for that bullpen.
Could you imgine if Narron would have put Coffey in 7th, and they had blown the lead in the 9th.

[puca]

Originally Posted by westofyou

You mean one day again... I'll argue that back in the day guys like Jim Bronson and Clay Carroll came in in that exact situation.

I blame the save stat and the Rolainds Fireman award.

The save stat and arbitration...a deadly mix.

[smith288]

Originally Posted by flyer85

His track record as a marginal 11th/12th pitcher is well established. He should be kept as far away from high leverage innings as possible. Bringing him in to pitch in those situations is simply playing with matches.

actually...I can easily control a match that has been lit a-flame. I think putting Yan in is akin to an afternoon stroll in Sadr City, Iraq with a "God Bless America" shirt... But that's just me.